Michiel 07-20-2002, 01:50 PM Hi,
I've been designing websites for quite some time now. My aim is to make crossbrowser websites. I always check my pages for compatibility with MIE 5.0, Netscape Navigator 4.75 and Opera 4. I know that there are loads of other browsers and other versions of the browsers I already mentioned. Now my question is: what browsers do you guys/ girls reconmend that I download to check my websites. So what is the ultimate package of browsers that each webdesigner cannot do without!
Thanx in advance for your reactions, Michiel
Kang He 07-20-2002, 06:10 PM Add Netscape 6.x and Mozilla.
boxer_1 07-20-2002, 07:01 PM Might as well add K-mleon and Amaya while you're at it ;).
redhead 07-20-2002, 07:18 PM Originally posted by boxer_1
... K-mleon...
lil typo there by boxer_1... i think its K-melon.... ;)
boxer_1 07-20-2002, 07:32 PM Originally posted by redhead
lil typo there by boxer_1... i think its K-melon.... ;)
Ah...you're right about the typo, but I think it's in both of our posts. It should be K-Meleon...lol :D. *Oh well*
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/
I think to be considered "complete", you'd need IE5+, NS4, any Gecko (NS7 - or at least the latest NS6, Mozilla, Galeon, Beonex, etc), and Opera 5+.
Konqueror is not worth it yet (nor is Opera imho, but others disagree there).
Reasoning:
IE - a vast majority use it (sadly)
NS4 - some people still use it (sadly)
Gecko - best browser, but not enough people use it (sadly)
brothercake 07-21-2002, 02:40 AM I'd agree with jkd, except
- opera 5 and opera 6 need to be treated pretty much as different browsers
- i'd add ie4 as well, which means having an older version of windows to run it on
- I think konqueror is as worth it as opera, but of course having konqueror means a linux install as well.
So if you're totally serious about cross-browser compatibility, you'll need a multi-boot machine, or several computers, or (better) a virtual-machine on your main computer that can run mutliple x86 operating systems.
Oh, and a Mac would be useful too.
Originally posted by brothercake
Oh, and a Mac would be useful too.
Oh yeah, how could I forget the excellent IE5/Mac? :)
Platform requirements:
IE4 - Windows
IE5 or IE6 - a different Windows
Mozilla - anything :)
NS4 - *nix, Windows, or Mac
Opera 6 - Linux or Windows
IE5/Mac - MacOS
Seems to me, the best way to handle this:
Have a Mac. Dual boot with Mandrake PPC or something.
Install NS4, Gecko, IE5/Mac natively in Mac environment.
Install NS4 and Gecko natively in Linux if you didn't it on Mac (or do it again - NS4 on Linux is considerably different than any other NS4 it seems).
Install Opera 5 and/or 6 natively in Linux, as well as Konqueror.
Install VirtualPC, and run 2 different Windows installations.
A lot of work to go through, and if it was me, I'd leave out Opera 5, as well as Konqueror. And I also wouldn't buy a Mac :p - instead I'd con someone into checking it for me on a Mac. :: can't stand Macs in general ::
brothercake 07-21-2002, 03:07 PM ns4 on linux is different, but not in a big way - it's mostly things like font-sizes, which are smaller than the same font-size in win/ns4, and the fact that the reload/resize trap that win/ns4 can get into doesn;t happen with the mac or linux version.
opera 5 is also wildy different between the three OSs. Better to treat all <6 versions as lo-spec browsers.
but mozilla ... is always the same :):(:confused: except for the width of the scroll-bar, for which i've found about 5 variants between various versions of OSs and builds.
All small things, I'll admit ;)
On reflection, i'd also add Netscape 3 - for basic readibility testing - it doesn't have to look good, as long as you can read it and it doesn't generate errors. And I'd add Lynx - not so much because people use it, but because it gives you a very good idea of how your site looks to a search engine
As for Macs ... well I have a mac, and I don't particularly like using it - i find it quite awkward. Having said that ... you can't get MacOS PPC emulation for windows, but you can get windows emulation for MacOS - so in fact a Mac is the only single computer on which you could run all your operating systems :p
redhead 07-21-2002, 05:07 PM Originally posted by boxer_1
you're right about the typo, but I think it's in both of our posts. It should be K-Meleon...lol :D
whoops...
just a thougt - if your testing a site in differant browsers to check it looks fine you probably want to check in differant resolutions too.
happy testing :thumbsup:
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