07-16-2002, 06:14 PM
I'm learning ASP and Ultradev at the same time, and I'm interested in people's opinions of Ultradev, and in particular the quality of code it generates.
I don't use WYSIWYG software for HTML pages because they make bad code (sorry if this upsets anyone, though it shouldn't, we're all coders after all), and I'm wondering if the same goes for Ultradev. If anyone has any experiences (commercial or otherwise) that they'd like to share, I'd appreciate your thoughts.
07-16-2002, 08:30 PM
Would you mind telling me what it is?
Is there a good site I can learn about it?
07-16-2002, 11:03 PM
Sorry, a bit more background:
The office I'm working in at the moment wants to start doing web applications as well as static sites. As the only coder in the office I've been charged with learning server-side coding (i.e. ASP) and building a sample application to attach to the company website.
On my desktop is an icon labelled Ultradev, which is part of the Macromedia product set and thus closely related to Dreamweaver. It claims to do for web applications what Dreamweaver does for web pages, i.e. make it possible to build them without knowing a great deal about code. What I am asking is whether or not the code that Ultradev generates is any cop, or will I have to go through it taking out the crud the way I had to when I built a site in FrontPage.
As for websites, I've not looked for any. I imagine the Macromedia site will have info, but it won't be the unbiased expertise I was hoping to get from the forum.
07-17-2002, 01:16 AM
I see. Well..
Fromt he information you have giving me, and if the program is for ASP, try it out, if you don't like it, you can always go for l337 notepad.
07-17-2002, 03:15 AM
From what I've seen you're better off learning ASP from a book... the scripts I've seen UltraDev produce are way too complicated for what they actually accomplish - I've been doing ASP scripts for a year as a living and I wouldn't want to try to debug one, personally!
Sure they're great if you know exactly what the end result should be, etc... but when the client requests a change, are you going to be able to figure out how to implement it?
That's why I prefer to write my own code! :)
07-17-2002, 02:38 PM
I would not use ultradev if you are just learning asp. The code that is spits out, like whammy said is pretty complex and would be hard for a beginner to debug. The only good thing about ultradev and WYSIWYGs is that they can save development time. Because these products do all the code for you there is really no learning involved.
Just my thoughts.
07-17-2002, 11:54 PM
Hummmm, I'm going to have to agree with Whammy and allida77.