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View Full Version : Has anyone done a job for CSS without the HTML?



Zeke2
11-15-2010, 09:22 PM
I have this job for doing some basic CSS for some websites, but im only being given the PSD files. Im just wondering if this is normal or not?

teedoff
11-15-2010, 09:31 PM
Just out of curiousity, how would you style tags like the <p> tag or List items if they dont exist yet?

Zeke2
11-15-2010, 09:32 PM
That's what Im wondering. Every element is :S... well, open to interpretation.

Granted he just wants a template style, but still. Im sure I can make do but it sounds like a nightmare

teedoff
11-15-2010, 09:34 PM
Nightmare might be putting it mildly. I for one do not like "creating" pages with anything but a text editor, but I can see how it might be beneficial to some. However, I dont see how you can style an image...lol

Maybe you should ask them to either let you create the html for it, or have it done then you can style it.

VIPStephan
11-15-2010, 09:59 PM
Maybe the site is existing already and only the new design is to be applied? In this case just get the code from the site. If HTML doesn’t exist yet then there is no way around creating it, too.

Zeke2
11-15-2010, 10:13 PM
I've asked them if they could supply it, mentioning my understanding about theft ect considering they are supplying the psd files. There's not much more I can do, if they don't I'll have to create my own skeleton html template to double check things. but then again, there is not true way of knowing if it will match with theirs.

I was just curious if this is normal. Doesn't sound like it lol

teedoff
11-15-2010, 10:43 PM
No I dont think its the norm. Thats like asking a painter to paint a house before the walls are built...lol Good luck!

optimus203
11-16-2010, 12:19 AM
Were you asked to do basic CSS for a site that has already been created (aka, your redesigning the site from this PSD template)? If so, you should have received the naming structure for site (or you can simply "view source" of the main pages and act accordingly).

For a completely new design, it is somewhat normal to receive the PSD template (if someone has created a draft for what they have in mind). Really depends on situation and client.

Zeke2
11-16-2010, 01:10 AM
Basically they have a large number of templates on their site and want me to do the CSS for them. The templates though I think are all just picture(psds) designs. They sent me a sample, with a css file and another one for IE6. Along with corressponding images aswell.

When I asked for the rest of the code I got this

We have decided not to give out the code for the site as it is not open source.
We will make the css work - no problem


:confused: Im still a bit fuzzled about it, obviously im missing something.
Though, looking at the CSS sample it looks a bit messy.

optimus203
11-16-2010, 02:21 AM
Hmnnn. So just put in some basic HTML elements when your coding to give your format shape, and let them deal with the rest. I've heard of some projects with this "top-secrecy" mentality. Think its kind of silly (especially since you can just view source - unless their using server-side language) and also think they should provide basic HTML layout to help you work faster. They could be just testing you out to see how you can problem solve too. Good luck with the project.

Zeke2
11-16-2010, 02:45 AM
Possibly, I'm not sure. I think it's silly, I sent them an email about it, voicing the difficulty of not having the full coding to test out the CSS, and the concern that they evidently have with sharing the full coding. But in the end said I would work my way around it.

Yeah, I have yet to recieve an email back from them :(

Thanks for the point of view :)

tracknut
11-16-2010, 03:25 AM
It'll be interesting to see how this works out. Is this a project you've bid on, with a fixed or hourly rate? I'm having a bit of trouble imagining how you've agreed on the definition of "done" for the work you do. Let's say you give them their css file, and it contains:

body {background-image:url("their-psd.jpg")}

That's a bit exaggerated, but you could conceivably call it done, and they might argue it is not done. Then what?

Dave

teedoff
11-16-2010, 03:43 AM
lol Agreed....all around sounds like a headache for both parties involved. One of the first things a web designer needs to get in writing is what work is to be done and how much the work will cost. With this type of "arrangement" I too find it near impossible to define any guidelines. Can someone say scopecreep! lol

Zeke2
11-16-2010, 04:02 AM
Another issue. The project I bid on was given a wide range for price. I haven't agreed on anything yet, simply because of the lack of information of what they exactly want and how much time I am going to need to do this. Ultimatly, since Im still waiting for the psd files (1 per template) I still am in the dark about how long it will take me. The sample css file looks straight forward, but it's lengthy none the less.

It's something I am still working out with them. They are extremely slow at responding to my emails, the first day they said they'd email me the samples the next day, a friday(why they didnt that on the day of the first email I dont know), but they didnt. So Ive had to wait a until today to recieve it. Then they've asked me to select X number of templates to do, and then they'll email me the psd files per template. .. and Im still waiting. And considering the time, i won't be recieving them today. It's alot of dicking around.

The only guideline is using the sample as they provided as a coding basis. Yes.. nightmare. Id rather get a fresh customer and make them a website from scratch. Not entirely sure where to do that though, and since this is all I've got at the moment, it's going with the flow. Spose this is a learning curve though... But all that aside, they've been forth right, and we're just starting to work together. So, I'll wait and see how things go for now. Hopefully we'll get things rolling and everything will work out. :) Ill do my best for them, and not throw out skeleton code. There's not much more I can do really. Since there are multipul templates, Ill be doing one at a time. If it falls through on one, well, lesson learned. if not, then it's all good.



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