relative div wont stay at top

hi im having trouble with a container div. When i put the container around my other divs they all move down by 15px and right by 10px. I know relative divs are supposed to move but i dont want a gap at the top between the div and the browser.

all margins / padding / border etc set to zero

please help

I know relative divs are supposed to move but i dont want a gap at the top between the div and the browser.

all margins / padding / border etc set to zero

please help Seems like the collapsible margin 'bug'. Seehttp://complexspiral.com/publications/uncollapsing-margins/ (adding overflow:auto; to the container would be an easy fix!)