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thickandthin
05-11-2003, 01:25 AM
Hello my web site is at http://tsnweb.crnc.net/index.php?page=networknews.html and I need honest opinions about it please.

Thanks,
TSN

scriptkeeper
05-11-2003, 01:46 AM
I think you did a fine job! the layout is very clean, colors are great.
easy to navigate the only problem i have is with the arrows at the top of each table. They make it look as though it is going to drop down or pop up in some way. They still give the page a nice look though overall its a fine job.
Good Luck:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

pardicity3
05-11-2003, 02:13 AM
First off, purely on layout:

I am assuming you designed using IE. In Mozilla you get some big problems with layout flow and the like when you use a text-zoom any bigger than 100%. Specifying pixels for text-size will make an un-resizable text (a bad idea IMO) in IE but not in Mozilla.

Another reason your layout gets so messed up in Moz when the text gets bigger has to do with your using tables for layout (a bad idea, as has been discussed here many times). Your layout could easily be converted to a CSS and <div> layout, and IMO it would look better.

On the coding side of things:

Don't use tables for layout! I don't feel like getting into the discussion, but as has been said many a time here, tables are for tabular data only, not layout.

You have an external stylesheet but yet you are still using some inline styles, is there a reason for this? Also, you are using the depreciated <font> tag to specify font color, this should be done through your external stylesheet.

I never did understand why people did this, but why are you not enclosing some of your attributes with quotes. I.e. you have:

<table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 .....

which should be:

<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" .....

You are also using some depreciated attributes souch as background. Those should be specified through css.

Where is your doctype? Have a look at these threads to find out why to use them: http://www.codingforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18346
http://www.codingforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19599 (don't pay attention to my post on this one :o )

Once you get a doctype in there you should run your page through the W3 validator (http://validator.w3.org). This will help you to catch some of your problems.

It may seem like a lot, but having a standards compliant site really is the only way to go. It might take you a little bit to re-code but it is worth it in the long run. Good Luck.

liorean
05-11-2003, 02:48 AM
Some few issues in both moz1.4b and moz1.02 (meaning they will be there in pretty much any gecko-based browser):
Moz00:
http://liorean.web-graphics.com/tsn-moz1.4b-00.png
The text here is a bit too high - for best effect it should be vertically centered.

Moz01:
http://liorean.web-graphics.com/tsn-moz1.4b-01.png
Sometimes the footer get's crunched.

Moz02:
http://liorean.web-graphics.com/tsn-moz1.4b-02.png
Sometimes there is a rendering problem with the top bar.

Some issues in op7.1w:
Op00:
http://liorean.web-graphics.com/tsn-op7.1w-00.png
The text here is a bit too high - for best effect it should be vertically centered. Same as moz problem 00.

Op01:
http://liorean.web-graphics.com/tsn-op7.1w-01.png
The bottoms of the three columns aren't aligned.

One issue in ie6w, JavaScript turned off:
NoJS00:
http://liorean.web-graphics.com/tsn-ie6w-nojs-00.png
The text here doesn't appear if you haven't got JS enabled. (You output it with JS, don't you?)


Not design/layout related, but anyways:

Your css is valid, but your html isn't - not in any html or xhtml version. It's also a table-based design instead of a semantic tags design, which I would prefer, but both of these things are really up to you whether you want to support/use or not.


"Hosting Service" displays this:Warning: main(hostingservice.html) [function.main]: failed to create stream: No such file or directory in /hsphere/local/home/tsnweb/tsnweb.crnc.net/index.php on line 36

Warning: main() [function.main]: Failed opening 'hostingservice.html' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/local/lib/php') in /hsphere/local/home/tsnweb/tsnweb.crnc.net/index.php on line 36Everything below "Forums" also displays the same.

pardicity3
05-11-2003, 02:56 AM
liorean -

What browser were you using for problem 01 where the bottoms of the three columns weren't aligned? It seems odd that would happen as thickandthin is using a table-based layout which would seem to make the three columns all end at the same length where are a css and div layout would not.

I did not see this happen in IE6win or Moz1.2a....interesing.

liorean
05-11-2003, 03:02 AM
As the label above tells you, it's an Opera 7.10 for Windows problem.

(It didn't get as easy to read that as it looked without the images there...)

pardicity3
05-11-2003, 03:58 AM
There we go, now it is much easier to read.

Oh, and it is that way in Opera 6, though I must say I almost like that look better. That is the way it would come out if div's were used as opposed to tables.