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drhowarddrfine
04-02-2010, 03:21 PM
IE lost more market share worldwide, dropping to 60% usage. (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=0)
IE is now the minor player vs all the modern browsers in Europe dropping to 45%. (http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-monthly-200903-201003)

As more Europeans run Windows Update and try out the new browser selections on the ballot box, hopefully we can cut IE down to 25% over the next year or two. Especially as web sites use more of the new standards and practices which won't even be available in IE9 (which won't be out for almost 2 years) and IE users find they miss out on new features.

tfit
04-02-2010, 05:00 PM
As more Europeans run Windows Update and try out the new browser selections on the ballot box, hopefully we can cut IE down to 25% over the next year or two. Especially as web sites use more of the new standards and practices which won't even be available in IE9 (which won't be out for almost 2 years) and IE users find they miss out on new features.

I like the idea of 25%. I don't use IE for browsing and FF lived about 5 minutes on my pc, we still need IE to push development. IE has some nice features such as printhtml and mhtm support. So to keep competition and therefor progress we should not try to kill IE.
Just don't use it too often :-)

drhowarddrfine
04-02-2010, 05:20 PM
So to keep competition and therefor progress we should not try to kill IE.
IE is no competition and webkit, gecko and presto (Safari/Chrome, Firefox, Opera) compete pretty well among themselves though I think the common enemy, IE, does make for friendlier cooperation between them. If IE went away, I wonder if it might get a little more cutthroat among them.

What is mhtm? What does printhtml have to do with this?

tfit
04-02-2010, 05:32 PM
Mhtml is the container file format that includes everything in just one file. so js/css/html everything in one file. As far as I know only opera has the same support to do so. I like printhtml if you use a printer spooler. As far as I know IE is the only browser that does have commandline printing.
So the competition isn't so much on marketshare, but on features

drhowarddrfine
04-02-2010, 05:50 PM
Mhtml is the container file format that includes everything in just one file. so js/css/html everything in one file. As far as I know only opera has the same support to do so.There are Firefox extensions that handle mhtml, plus there is an open source (or moz?) format that does the same thing and there's a FF extension for it.
I like printhtml if you use a printer spooler. As far as I know IE is the only browser that does have commandline printing.I'm pretty sure the other browsers do, too, especially FF, but not my area.

So the competition isn't so much on marketshare, but on features
Then, like I said, IE is no competition.

tfit
04-02-2010, 06:14 PM
I tried FF306 and that didn't have mhtml support and on my pc it was a memory hog so I never used it afterwards. I really love opera and if i need commandline features i use IE. I must say i envy the plugin support in FF, but the widgets in opera are so sexy. But what feature sets are available that i'm missing?

drhowarddrfine
04-02-2010, 07:47 PM
I tried FF306 and that didn't have mhtml supportIt does. It's available as two add-ons. (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=mhtml&cat=all)
on my pc it was a memory hogThis is a myth promoted by people who don't understand how 3rd party add-ons work and those who don't know how to read memory usage in the task manager on Windows. It's especially not true from version 3.5 on.
I really love operaThat is a great browser but most non-IE browsers are. Typically it boils down to personal preference.
and if i need commandline features i use IE.What are these you speak of? I vaguely recall something about this from days gone by but not sure what you mean.
I must say i envy the plugin support in FFYou probably mean "add-ons". Plugins are something entirely different.

Apostropartheid
04-02-2010, 10:31 PM
The memory hog issue isn't true anymore. However, Firefox still slows down insufferably over time, even under my Ubuntu machine.

drhowarddrfine
04-02-2010, 11:18 PM
From the command line, run top. What does VIRT and RES report?

tfit
04-03-2010, 07:07 AM
You probably mean "add-ons". Plugins are something entirely different.
OOps my bad, yes i meant add-ons.


This is a myth promoted by people who don't understand how 3rd party add-ons work and those who don't know how to read memory usage in the task manager on Windows. It's especially not true from version 3.5 on.
I never installed any add-on and i took more resources than Opera. I know there are newer versions, but Opera just works faster for me.

and if i need commandline features i use IE
If I want to go over a list over urls I use html-view. It's a browser that uses the IE engine, which i run from the commandline.
I tried opening 100 mhtml files on FF and it crawled to uselessness. In opera it still feels smooth. I know it's a matter of preference and i understand why others prefer FF, but in the instances i tried running FF in comparison with Opera I experienced FF is not for me

gameutopia
04-03-2010, 12:27 PM
It don't hurt my feelings any that ie continues to loose market share. Don't they have the option in Europe to choose the browser they want to install in windows, instead of being preloaded with ie, or they have more options I think.

drhowarddrfine
04-03-2010, 03:36 PM
I know there are newer versions, but Opera just works faster for me.Yes, Opera is faster but less flexible and programmable which are the parts that will slow FF down and increase its size.


If I want to go over a list over urls I use html-view. It's a browser that uses the IE engine, which i run from the commandline.Then you were comparing html-view to FF which isn't the same thing as IE vs FF but whatever.

Apostropartheid
04-07-2010, 05:26 AM
From the command line, run top. What does VIRT and RES report?
VIRT=164m
RES=144m

drhowarddrfine
04-07-2010, 02:09 PM
Is that with FF or Opera?

Apostropartheid
04-07-2010, 05:15 PM
Firefox.

drhowarddrfine
04-07-2010, 08:08 PM
That shows you are only using 144Mb of ram and 164Mb total. That's pretty good.

Apostropartheid
04-08-2010, 05:14 PM
I know it is. The point is that my system was crawling at this point.

drhowarddrfine
04-08-2010, 09:46 PM
I know it is. The point is that my system was crawling at this point.

How much total ram do you have? By crawling do you mean when you visit flash sites? My Ubuntu box is up around 500MB but that's my dev box with lots of add-ons and tabs running at the same time. It definitely does not slow down much.

Apostropartheid
04-08-2010, 10:21 PM
3GB DDR2 RAM + an Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.66GHz. This is just on normal sites, maybe downloading an image here or a document there. Add-ons are things like Firebug, nothing particularly odd. I don't know why Firefox hates me, but...

drhowarddrfine
04-08-2010, 11:03 PM
We all hate you but that doesn't matter right now. Haven't a clue why it would be running so slow except if somehow it was being limited in its memory usage by some setting somehow. iow, it thinks you have little ram so it tries to fit in a smaller space but that doesn't make sense either cause it shows you're only using 20Mb virtual. Don't know.

ajetrumpet
04-09-2010, 10:45 PM
IE lost more market share worldwide, dropping to 60% usage. (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=0)
IE is now the minor player vs all the modern browsers in Europe dropping to 45%. (http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-monthly-200903-201003)

As more Europeans run Windows Update and try out the new browser selections on the ballot box, hopefully we can cut IE down to 25% over the next year or two. Especially as web sites use more of the new standards and practices which won't even be available in IE9 (which won't be out for almost 2 years) and IE users find they miss out on new features.

The time is not here yet where people stop being lazy, but it's comming. People use Microsoft's junk more or less because they refuse to adopt the TINY learning curve involved with other products like browsers. Plus, IE is the only browser that comes with the computer itself when you buy it. All others you have to download, which is extra work too. But as Microsoft falls more from grace, people will realize that this company does not have what is needed to compete in this world. Their products also don't offer much to anyone outside of the small business world unfortunately.

instaunt
04-17-2010, 02:27 PM
I would prefer to use IE myself, I just don't because of the great FF add-ons.

FF crashes on me all the time and so many sites do not render well in FF.

drhowarddrfine
04-17-2010, 02:33 PM
I would prefer to use IE myselfWhy?


FF crashes on me all the time and so many sites do not render well in FF.
FF never crashes on the 24 boxes I maintain for business/friends/family. Nor does anyone complain of web sites that don't work for FF. The solution I give to anyone with such issues is....fix your system....quit blaming others.

NBK*Twitch
04-21-2010, 03:43 AM
I am happy this is happening. Maybe now web standard complaint web browsers can take over.



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