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View Full Version : Firefox 3.5 now the most used browser in the world



drhowarddrfine
12-21-2009, 04:31 PM
According to StatCounter (http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-weekly-200827-200951) over the last few days, Firefox 3.5 is the most used browser version in the world; more used than any single version of IE.

whizard
12-21-2009, 11:01 PM
Yeah but

IE 6-8: ~55%
FF 2-3.5: ~35%

Dan

Fumigator
12-21-2009, 11:05 PM
Are you suggestiing drdr is spinning statistics to promote his agenda??? :eek: :p :rolleyes:

whizard
12-22-2009, 12:13 AM
Just keepin' it real.

:D

Dan

whizard
12-22-2009, 12:21 AM
The thing is, most (generally speaking) people who use firefox are using the latest version at any one time. However, with Internet Explorer, many people with XP and Vista are still using IE 6 and IE7, respectively. Therefore, differentiating between browser franchises by version (and saying this version is more used than any other version of any other browser) is a little silly.

Most of Mozilla's users have been upgraded to the latest version, while Microsoft's users are more evenly distributed across the three most recent browsers. Most people who use IE don't even know the difference between the versions, and probably assume, if they even give it a thought, that they are using the newest version.

Dan

bazz
12-22-2009, 12:30 AM
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2

drhowarddrfine
12-22-2009, 01:07 AM
Are you suggestiing drdr is spinning statistics to promote his agenda??? :eek: :p :rolleyes:

You two guys are spinning the thread to support your own agenda. I said it's the most used version of browser, not the most used browser. It will be another year or two before IE drops to 2nd place or 3rd place.

The title of this thread came from SlashDot.

btw, just a couple more weeks before I can change my sig to "IE is 12 years behind all other browsers in modern standards and practices!"

drhowarddrfine
12-22-2009, 01:12 AM
Hmm. Look who says the same thing. (http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/12/22/firefox-35-most-popular-browser/) Must be important.

whizard
12-22-2009, 01:59 AM
You two guys are spinning the thread to support your own agenda. I said it's the most used version of browser, not the most used browser. It will be another year or two before IE drops to 2nd place or 3rd place.


I'm not spinning anything... just pointing out that its silly to say that a specific Firefox version is the single most used browser, when that version holds 70-75% of Firefox's total usage and IE 7 and IE 8 each only have about 35% of the IE marketshare.

No one is denying that Mozilla has made serious gains. I'm just pointing out that you are exaggerating one relatively insignificant aspect of the statistics to support your point.

IMHO, anyone who campaigns for something comes out better if they let the truth speak for itself, without manipulating it. When you manipulate it, it makes it look like you have something to hide, or at least make up for.

As far as sitepoint running the same story, they're linking to the same report. That doesn't make the original report extra important somehow.

I think a much more valuable graph is this one, from the same report:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-weekly-200827-200951

For the record, I have IE7, FF3.5, and Chrome. I use FF generally. I think FF is a superior browser, for me. It runs faster, does what I want it to do.

Sincerely
Dan

drhowarddrfine
12-22-2009, 03:05 AM
I'm just pointing out that you are exaggerating one relatively insignificant aspect of the statistics to support your point.If such things are insignificant, people wouldn't make a big deal over separating IE6/7/8 as they do. None of those three browsers work the same as each other. It's as if they were independent units themselves. In fact, they are.


IMHO, anyone who campaigns for something comes out better if they let the truth speak for itself, without manipulating it. When you manipulate it, it makes it look like you have something to hide, or at least make up for. Who's manipulating anything. Are you saying I'm lying? Are you saying the graph is lying?


As far as sitepoint running the same story, they're linking to the same report. That doesn't make the original report extra important somehow.You don't think a story about a graph covered by Slashdot and Sitepoint means anything?

The important point is this: IE6 and 7 users have not upgraded to IE8 in large enough numbers to make it surpass Firefox. IE8 has not caught up to Firefox usage. Firefox passed IE7 usage some time ago. The observation one should gain from this is that IE users overall are switching browsers instead of upgrading.

Total Firefox usage is trending up. Total IE usage is trending down as the other graph you show also says. This is what I had stated would happen on this forum 5 years ago.

whizard
12-22-2009, 05:02 AM
If such things are insignificant, people wouldn't make a big deal over separating IE6/7/8 as they do. None of those three browsers work the same as each other. It's as if they were independent units themselves. In fact, they are.



The important point is this: IE6 and 7 users have not upgraded to IE8 in large enough numbers to make it surpass Firefox. IE8 has not caught up to Firefox usage. Firefox passed IE7 usage some time ago. The observation one should gain from this is that IE users overall are switching browsers instead of upgrading.

No one is making a "big deal" over separating the different versions, it was a chart showing the market share by browser version. I'm not saying the underlying technology is the same between the three IEs, just that a lot of average users use the browser which comes by default on their computer, and never even bother with the upgrades. In other words, most people use the version of IE that they HAVE, whereas on average, a FF user is more savvy and upgrades to the next version when it comes out. In general, people who use FF use it intentionally, people who use IE use it by default. Therefore, it is no shock that the latest version of FF represents the great majority of FF marketshare. I believe you're right: people who upgrade from IE often upgrade to FF. The graphs even show that. I'm not debating that. All I am saying is that

its irrelevant that FF3.5 has slightly more marketshare than any one version of IE, since IE has higher overall market share.



Who's manipulating anything. Are you saying I'm lying? Are you saying the graph is lying?

I'm not saying you're lying about anything, but I do find your headline to be intentionally misleading, as it is technically factual, but seems to say, at first glance, that FF is the #1 browser.


You don't think a story about a graph covered by Slashdot and Sitepoint means anything?


Their job is to disseminate internet news. That's what they do. Just because something is noteworthy doesn't make it absolute truth. The report in question is one attempt at quantifying browser use, other studies have come away with different conclusions (see Bazz's link). I never said I didn't think it means ANYTHING, I just didn't think that made it more real.


You two guys are spinning the thread to support your own agenda.

It's silly that you would insinuate that I am pushing an agenda, when that seems to be your main function on these forums, and I have never participated in these types of arguments before. As I mentioned before, I use FireFox and don't care too much for IE. Just because I disagree with you on the internals of an online poll doesn't mean I have some evil agenda. I saw what you wrote, thought about it, came away with a different take, and dared to say so.

I invite every reader of this thread to do the same.

Dan

Fumigator
12-22-2009, 06:16 AM
You two guys are spinning the thread to support your own agenda.

You are so funny... I love FF and use it 92% of the time. The other 8% is Opera and Safari. I have no agenda and actually I want to see IE die in flames. DIE IE DIE!!! Does that convince you now? See, we're on the same side, really, but your zealotry is annoying and I just know a good spin when I see it.

bazz
12-22-2009, 10:04 AM
If such things are insignificant, people wouldn't make a big deal over separating IE6/7/8 as they do. None of those three browsers work the same as each other. It's as if they were independent units themselves. In fact, they are.


I am broadly in agreement with that assertion. Its like saying that bmw sells more than mercedes when the figures include the bmw 3,5 & 7 series but in respect of mercedes, only the e-class purchases are counted.

If we count who uses the current browser by manufacturer, it is clear that FF is the current leader.

The issue over who uses more of the outdated browsers, is much clearer in that M$/IE is the leading out of date browser since FF hasn't got one because everyone has upgraded after receiving a nice reminder.

If M$ were to stop re-branding with new names and, instead, use the same naming convention as all the other browsers, they wouldn't confise an easily confused market. This would ensure there is one browser name by manufacturer so there is one browser by name and it will be clear who is the leader.

I should think that a lot of browser power has been removed or diluted with the recent court cases and so it may well be that M$ do change their browser-naming convention. we shall see.

Unfortunately, accidentally, I have just shown that of what DrDr has said about IE being out of date, is actually true when we discount IE8 from the figures. (I am making no judgement on it because I have yet to use it).

So the stats and M$ itself show that the majority of IE users are using a browser that is out of date.

Personally; I really don't care who is market leader. I choose to use FF safari and a couple of others for different purposes - mostly web page testing. It matters not, to me what anyone else does or will choose to do, so long as they don't tell me what I should think or even worse, try to make my decision for me.


bazz

drhowarddrfine
12-22-2009, 02:36 PM
It's silly that you would insinuate that I am pushing an agenda, when that seems to be your main function on these forumsWhat's funny is, when no one says that if they were to say anything positive about IE and no one complains about MS fanboys when they promote MS. It's also funny to see people say that about me when some, here, promote FF in their signatures. Yet whenever I point out IE is failing, it's my "agenda" despite the truth.

Just because I disagree with you on the internals of an online pollIt's not a poll. It's a measurement of their customers visitors.

drhowarddrfine
12-22-2009, 02:38 PM
your zealotry is annoying and I just know a good spin when I see it.All I said was FF3.5 is the top version of all browsers and you jump on my case. If you support FF, why are you always the first to attack me?

drhowarddrfine
12-22-2009, 02:42 PM
Personally; I really don't care who is market leader.
Absolutely agree and you make my point. I use Firefox because of the developer tools. I'm using Chrome more and more because of its speed. I like Safari and Opera, too, but don't use them. The only reason I want IE to die is because it's, technically, the worst browser on the planet and makes my/our job harder.

If it weren't for that, you'd never hear from me about this. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who still think IE is a great browser.

Fumigator
12-22-2009, 04:16 PM
All I said was FF3.5 is the top version of all browsers and you jump on my case. If you support FF, why are you always the first to attack me?

Oh, now I am attacking you? :D :rolleyes:

You create YET ANOTHER thread in which you state a statistic that is obviously skewed toward a specific agenda, someone calls you on the carpet for it, I agree with the assessment, and that is now an attack? I admit I was rather sarcastic, but you are always the one who reverts to the name calling (what am I 12, a child could see blah blah, grow up you such-and-such).

Anyway I like you; I don't want to be perceived as attacking you so I will humbly back off. You should feel free to post whatever nonsense you want without contest... But I think you are doing the "cause" more harm than good with your gentle propaganda.


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whizard
12-22-2009, 10:54 PM
a) A poll isn't necessarily a equivalent to a survey... I just mean the collection of data.

b) It's not my fault that MS supporters don't receive as much flaming as you want. The fact of the matter is, if I stumbled across a post where a MS lover said something I disagreed with, or took exception to, I would say so in that case as well. The fact that I haven't in the past doesn't mean that I never disagree with MS supporters, just that I never disagreed with anything said by a MS lover on this forum that I saw.

c) I'm done with this dumb argument. We can agree to disagree, I think.

Dan

rhino56
12-29-2009, 08:53 AM
I really am suprised at how well FF has done, while myself i like it way better then anything else out there, it doesn't have the backing from MS like IE does.
They may never be #1 overall but from my point of view as a simple user, who cares.

drhowarddrfine
12-29-2009, 01:49 PM
from my point of view as a simple user, who cares.Browser choice, from a user perspective, is personal preference. From a developer's preference, we prefer any browser except IE.



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