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brothercake
04-13-2003, 02:42 PM
Check it out - http://www.digitalamt.co.uk/advhtmlenc.html

And they're making some dangerous claims:


# Protect your javascript/vbscript almost any script, e.g. so users/hackers can't discover your security,

# You can write your own password protected html pages, using plain javascript, or use the built in wizard,

So ... will they accept liability when someone "hacks" my site because I trusted their "encryption" ?? :rolleyes:


btw - took me 2 seconds to view the original, unencrypted source of one of their "encrypted" pages, with this bookmarklet:


javascript:document.body.innerHTML=(
'<xmp><html>'
+document.getElementsByTagName('html')[0].innerHTML
+'</html></xmp>'
);void(null);

Vladdy
04-13-2003, 03:52 PM
It is the easiest to make money off people's stupidity and ignorance, and there is no law against it... just an obsevation... :rolleyes:

On a more serious note... I can relate to one's desire to protect javascripts (though encripting is about the worst way of doing it), but what is there in HTML code that is not displayed on user's screen besides a few <div> and <p> tags (I'm talking about a properly designed HTML, when all formating information is put in an external CSS file):confused: :confused:

scroots
04-13-2003, 04:02 PM
brothercake ask if they will accept liabliltiy when you get hacked, then make a test site and let someone hack it and then sue them.

if they say no, tell them there product don't work and you don't believe it does.

scroots

mattover-matter
04-13-2003, 05:29 PM
or if you wanna go out.

make a php function that sends a spam email to every possible address(cost a lot of brandwith) telling them that it is flawed.

Spookster
04-13-2003, 06:29 PM
I don't see any claim of accepting liability but they do make this claim:



you don't have to worry about users accessing your site source, because it will be encrypted


That could be proved to be a fraudulent claim as evidenced by brothertwinkie already.

It sounds to me like they are a small group of amateurs trying to make money off of people's stupiditiy and ignorance as Vladdy suggested. They try and make themselves sound like a big company but when you look at their list of products the only one they actually have is the HTML encrypter.

What kind of company that wishes to have a professional image would put up a page stating:



[this page is still under construction, check back soon, thankyou]


:D

zoobie
04-13-2003, 08:03 PM
Since newbies are logging on at an alarming rate, there's a sucka born every .01 second. :rolleyes:

joh6nn
04-13-2003, 09:03 PM
well, technically, it is encrypted. but rot13 is harder to break than whatever they're using

brothercake
04-13-2003, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by joh6nn
well, technically, it is encrypted. but rot13 is harder to break than whatever they're using
Well exactly ... it's hardly the Enigma machine is it :rolleyes:

joh6nn
04-13-2003, 10:27 PM
well, i don't think you can sue them for having incredibly week encryption. all they said is that it's encrypted. they didn't say it was unbreakable. and anything we'd do to get around at encryption, even to demonstrate how week it is, would simply label us as "hackers". ::shrug:: sometimes it's best to just let the idiots screw up on their own.

mattover-matter
04-14-2003, 12:03 AM
the best way is to just not tell people that they cannot have it.

Quiet Storm
04-14-2003, 01:37 AM
I have a lock made of wax.

It's pick proof! Solid construction, indeed!

As long as you don't apply heat or fire...

:rolleyes:

Spudhead
04-14-2003, 11:11 AM
Hmm. As far as I can see, it's one guy - the one mentioned as the domain owner, who also pops up in the license agreement, who's making up to 25 a shot out of a couple of javascript functions.

People posting their "look at my source-protected page I made" scripts up on forums is one thing; (fair game, mostly :)) but he's making money out of it.

I see what you're saying, joh6nn; it IS *encrypted* - but I reallly think that the Trades Descriptions Act would have something to say about misleading consumers in this way.

An encryption technology - which is what he's marketing his product as - is being discussed on a public website; not in the sense of "look at this interesting way of using javascript as an encryption tool"; not even as "oh look, another one. I wonder how long it'll take to crack it"; but as "here's a source protection product, and here's the few lines of code it took to render it useless."

I hope the guy checks his server logs; I'd like him to notice us, and come over here to try and explain to his peers exactly what the hell he's playing at.

bazz
04-14-2003, 01:02 PM
Talking of one born every 0.1 second, I recall a thing from a couple of years ago.

I was in my very early days of building a website, (feel like I dunno much more today :( ) and I needed some photo of a particular large hotel.

I rang them to seek permission and they said I could use them from their paper brochure but I couldnt get them from the web because they were encryoted.

I let it go ( on the phone) and then sent by email her online pics which even I had been able to downoload - and actually, prior to the phone call. She was most surprised coz they were 'supposed to be secure'.

mattover-matter
04-14-2003, 04:59 PM
we should start a clan and go around sending everybody with encrypted webpages, their source code. We might make front page :D

Spudhead
04-14-2003, 06:17 PM
Well, they probably made it IN FrontPage :thumbsup:

mattover-matter
04-14-2003, 06:24 PM
All images/content on this website are copyright DigitalAMT(c). You may not use images/content created by us without permission.


I thought it was encrypted?

ionsurge
04-14-2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by brothercake
btw - took me 2 seconds to view the original, unencrypted source of one of their "encrypted" pages, with this bookmarklet:


javascript:document.body.innerHTML=(
'<xmp><html>'
+document.getElementsByTagName('html')[0].innerHTML
+'</html></xmp>'
);void(null);



Email their own encrpyted page back to them decrypted and tell them to get a grip and stop trying to rip people off - if you don't want to do it, I'll be happy to tell them.

ionsurge
04-14-2003, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by mattover-matter
All images/content on this website are copyright DigitalAMT(c). You may not use images/content created by us without permission.


I thought it was encrypted?


Urm, you can't encrypt images... :p

mattover-matter
04-14-2003, 08:49 PM
/content

;-)

mattover-matter
04-14-2003, 08:50 PM
where is this page that is encrypted?



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I am confused.

oracleguy
04-14-2003, 08:54 PM
I wondered that myself, they don't got their own webpage using their own product. And maybe I'm blind but I didn't even see a "see an example" page that showed an encrypted page on their site. These guys are just like that one guy we talked about a while back who wrote that article about how bad freelance web designers were and how he had "special" technology that prevent code theft.

brothercake
04-14-2003, 09:02 PM
I downloaded the trial version and encrypted a page with it. When I viewed the souce of that, it was what you'd expect - a great big document.write(unescape(lots of hex characters))

Run the boorkmarklet and out comes the original :)

I actually did email the guy and told him his product is fundamentally flawed and that I cracked it in 2 seconds. Strangely, I haven't had a reply :rolleyes:

scroots
04-14-2003, 09:09 PM
Muhahahhahhaha!

i emailed him pretending to be somebody bot very computer wise and as a potential buyer, to buy it as a gidt for a friend. I also claimed to be a marketing/promotion manager.

i put in the suggestion of an online example for people who are not very computer wise.

I'm waiting for a reponse.

scroots

PS Mod it if necessary.

mattover-matter
04-14-2003, 09:54 PM
like this one:

http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex9/encrypter.htm

?

Spookster
04-14-2003, 10:06 PM
First person who can unecrypt this will receive one free get out of being yelled at by Spookster pass. :D



<script language="javascript"><!--
document.write(unescape("%3C%73%63%72%69%70%74%3E%0D%0A%61%6C%65%72%74%28%22%41%6C%6C%20%48%61%69%6C%20%53%70%6F%6F%6B%73%74% 65%72%22%29%3B%0D%0A%3C%2F%73%63%72%69%70%74%3E"));
//--></script>


P.S. mods aren't eligible for this free pass. I get to yell at them anyways. :)

mattover-matter
04-14-2003, 10:26 PM
[space]All Hail Spookster

Spookster
04-15-2003, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by mattover-matter
[space]All Hail Spookster

Close, but that was not all that was encrypted. That information could have been gotten by simply executing the encrypted code. So sorry try again. :D

mattover-matter
04-15-2003, 12:33 AM
nothing shows up for me when I "execute" it. :-(

I knew I was very close, but at DD the source that comes back has xtra stuff.

mattover-matter
04-15-2003, 12:33 AM
2 2All Hail Spookster

Spookster
04-15-2003, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by mattover-matter
2 2All Hail Spookster

Nope. I didn't use the encrypter at dynamic drive. i used a very similar one though.

missing-score
04-15-2003, 12:52 AM
I think you should do what scroots suggested earlier on, by asking if they would accept liability for hacking, and NOT what mattover-matter suggested, by sending spam to every possible e-mail address. ( What a stupid idea! )

I have though seen sites that just say that a particular company is a fraud, or dont give you what they say for their money.

mattover-matter
04-15-2003, 01:17 AM
lol, would that even be possible? Call in 2,000 workers and make a system? :-)

mattover-matter
04-15-2003, 01:18 AM
when I put it on a html page, it does not display....:mad:

mattover-matter
04-15-2003, 01:19 AM
oh, did you use theres? :rolleyes:

missing-score
04-15-2003, 01:24 AM
You prob could send e-mail to alot of people, but It would probably crash the system.

krycek
04-15-2003, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Spookster
First person who can unecrypt this will receive one free get out of being yelled at by Spookster pass. :D



<script language="javascript"><!--
document.write(unescape("%3C%73%63%72%69%70%74%3E%0D%0A%61%6C%65%72%74%28%22%41%6C%6C%20%48%61%69%6C%20%53%70%6F%6F%6B%73%74% 65%72%22%29%3B%0D%0A%3C%2F%73%63%72%69%70%74%3E"));
//--></script>


P.S. mods aren't eligible for this free pass. I get to yell at them anyways. :)

Oh [insert name of favourite deity here] :rolleyes:

Missing-score just pointed this thread out to me.

How easy is that? LOL :p

Here's your message, spookster:

<script>
alert("All Hail Spookster");
</script>

...it's exactly like that. one space at the front. Two newlines (in the form of CR LF I might add). :p

I'm just surprised no-one else did it... :rolleyes:

::] krycek [::

Spookster
04-15-2003, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by krycek
Oh [insert name of favourite deity here] :rolleyes:

Missing-score just pointed this thread out to me.

How easy is that? LOL :p

Here's your message, spookster:

<script>
alert("All Hail Spookster");
</script>

...it's exactly like that. one space at the front. Two newlines (in the form of CR LF I might add). :p

I'm just surprised no-one else did it... :rolleyes:

::] krycek [::

That would be it. Ok you get one free get out of being yelled at by Spookster pass. :thumbsup: Of course I never said I wouldn't just have another mod yell at you for me. :D

krycek
04-15-2003, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by Spookster
That would be it. Ok you get one free get out of being yelled at by Spookster pass. :thumbsup: Of course I never said I wouldn't just have another mod yell at you for me. :D

Hmmmm, Spookster, can I swap that 'get out of being yelled out by Spookster' pass, for a 'get yelled at by Spookster' ticket? :p It's just I don't think you've ever yelled at me... :D

::] krycek [::

Nightfire
04-15-2003, 02:14 AM
Oh well, google woud've made me win...

http://www.google.com/search?q=document.write(%22%3Cscript%3E%20alert(%252%202All%20Hail%20Spookst%25%2065r%22);%20%3C/script%3E%22)&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8[/url]

:D lol not hard to figure out from that and guessing from the type of code I've seen from le Spookster over the passed few years, it wou;d've been laid out like krycheck laid it out

(ps sorry if I spelt your name wrong krychek, really too drunk to notice :p)

Mhtml
04-15-2003, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by scroots
Muhahahhahhaha!

i emailed him pretending to be somebody bot very computer wise and as a potential buyer, to buy it as a gidt for a friend. I also claimed to be a marketing/promotion manager.

i put in the suggestion of an online example for people who are not very computer wise.

I'm waiting for a reponse.

scroots

PS Mod it if necessary.
I did the same thing after this post first came up.. :
The em@il:

I'm thinking of purchasing your html encryption program.
How good is the encryption?

I'd like to use it to protect the javascript on my new website that I'm building at geocities and possibly I'll get one for my friend as well. =0)


MuHahaha,

Mhtml
04-15-2003, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by scroots
Muhahahhahhaha!

i emailed him pretending to be somebody bot very computer wise and as a potential buyer, to buy it as a gidt for a friend. I also claimed to be a marketing/promotion manager.

i put in the suggestion of an online example for people who are not very computer wise.

I'm waiting for a reponse.

scroots

PS Mod it if necessary.
I did the same thing after this post first came up.. :
The em@il:

I'm thinking of purchasing your html encryption program.
How good is the encryption?

I'd like to use it to protect the javascript on my new website that I'm building at geocities and possibly I'll get one for my friend as well. =0)


MuHahaha, ... Isn't that entrapment?

All hail Spookster!

mattover-matter
04-15-2003, 06:35 AM
lol, Nice one.

make a story about how someone stole your code with the last encryptor you got :rolleyes:

missing-score
04-15-2003, 08:37 AM
Yeah, make it seem like you dont really know what you are talking about. I mean, you must have some knowledge to use javascript, but make sure they think you dont know anything. Then they will probably take advantage, and it will then be even funnier when you tell them what you did and say that their program is awful. lol :D

Mhtml
04-15-2003, 08:43 AM
That's what my aim was, hence "geocities" lol only (with the exception of a few) noobs use geocities/yahoo for their websites. .. To think I had one there once.. Gee time flys.

missing-score
04-15-2003, 08:44 AM
Yeah...

The first time I used geocities, I was like, WOW, they give you free web space!

Mhtml
04-15-2003, 08:53 AM
lol me too, heh. :)
I found WA about 2 weeks after setting up my geocitites website.. And then after about 2 months I decided that banners sucked and whent to www.lunarpages.com (are they still alive?) and then www.brinkster.com (excellent free web host!) .. Nowadays I pay for hosting..

[edit]: Are you really printing the PHP manual?

missing-score
04-15-2003, 09:06 AM
yes, I am printing the PHP manual.

I got it in a PDF file and I have been printing it. Im up to page 376 but when I get another ream of paper, another folder and some more ink, I will carry on.

It works out it will have only cost me about 25 tho, which is good.

brothercake
04-15-2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by missing-score
yes, I am printing the PHP manual.
You realise ... by the time you've finished it will all have changed ;)

brothercake
04-15-2003, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Spookster
Of course I never said I wouldn't just have another mod yell at you for me. :D
I volunteer :D

missing-score
04-15-2003, 10:37 AM
Someone else told me that too. :D

I started without thinking that, so Im gonna finish and it will be good reference.

ionsurge
04-15-2003, 11:33 AM
I think the company who is advertising should really get done for false advertising and misleading potential/current buyers of the program, whereby they are promising them something that is just not true, nor can be true to any extent.

btw, why do you guys love being at the focus of spooksters evil rath of yellability...? (I think that makes sense... :D)

Just my $0.04.


<--/me hides in a corner and waits for Spooks to go offline.... :D

krycek
04-15-2003, 12:34 PM
I've just never been the focus of his yellability, so I don't know if it's scary or pleasing :D LOL :D

Oh yeah and I see Mhtml is still sneaking his post count up! :p Naughty double-post back there Michael! Did you think I would not notice...? Be careful or Spooks will yell at you! :)

::] krycek [::

krycek
04-15-2003, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by missing-score
Someone else told me that too. :D

I started without thinking that, so Im gonna finish and it will be good reference.

...someone called krycek? ;)

For 25 you could have got a good PHP & MySQL reference book :p

Personally, I prefer the online manual, with all the comments :)

::] krycek [::

missing-score
04-15-2003, 12:39 PM
Yeah, you told me aswell too didnt you. Someone else did, but they dont go on this forum.

Mhtml
04-15-2003, 12:50 PM
Krycek, every time you tell me about double posts you go and do it too lol.. ;)

What's this about spooks yellin'?
[edit:] Ahhh I see, page 2. :rolleyes:
I bet the ground trembles when spookster yells, with him being a god and all.

All hail spookster!

krycek
04-15-2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Mhtml
Krycek, every time you tell me about double posts you go and do it too lol.. ;)

What's this about spooks yellin'?
[edit:] Ahhh I see, page 2. :rolleyes:
I bet the ground trembles when spookster yells, with him being a god and all.

All hail spookster!

No, I didn't double-post :p Mine were both different, and in reply to different things :D

::] krycek [::

brothercake
04-15-2003, 01:05 PM
I think that's enough off-topic-ness for one thread .... :p

Mhtml
04-15-2003, 01:07 PM
Wait one more:
2 threads could have been merged into one thread without the need for the other... All of my "double posts" have a substantial time difference! (well most of 'em)

Mhtml
04-18-2003, 07:23 AM
I got a reply to my email looks like they have realised "encryption" isn't the best choice of words:


Thankyou for contacting DigitalAMT Technical Support.
You have contacted the wrong department, however, we are still able to answer your query.

Advanced HTML Encryptor, will soon change to Advanced HTML Encoder. This is the only change that will occur soon. Don't worry you can still purchase the product without any problems.

At the current time, we do not have a sample yet, when our next website upload is complete, there should be a sample on the HTML Encoder (not Encryptor) page ready to be viewed.

We recommend you download the evaluation version, no limits, just a nag screen, and test it out yourself. The encoding supported is UUENCODE. It will keep out most people, but not determined hackers.

Using Javascript alongside the encoder, here is what you can accomplish:

The source cannot be viewed,
Site Templates cannot be copied,
Protects the whole site, or a single page,
Using Javascript, you can disable right-clicking on the page

Don't worry, after you purchase the product, if you check back regularly, you will find, the product will contain new javascript code/templates to protect your site, such as no right-clicking, or site selection, etc.

We do recommend you try out the evaluation version before you continue any further. We hope you enjoy using this product.

If there are any further questions, do not hesitate to contact info@digitalamt.co.uk

Kind Regards,
DigitalAMT Technical Support Department.

krycek
04-18-2003, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by Mhtml
...such as no right-clicking...
:eek: OMG!!! I can't wait to buy that! :eek:

:rolleyes:

::] krycek [::

mattover-matter
04-18-2003, 09:42 AM
what if I want to copy some text to use it as a link but I couldn't because I could not right-click? What if I owned a site that gets 200,000 viewers a day, ahh wouldn't that screw you over.



but not determined hackers.


Not what you said before :rolleyes: So, is someone who can type a code into a text-box and click "decrypt" a determined hacker?

<yawn />

The best ecryption is sohpistication. I once made this script that rendered images outa codes, it looked reallly reallly cool. I opened the script to anyone, because it was soooo complex. One sec, I will have to find it and show it to you. I be back in a jippy.



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