Has anyone actually got a network going using W7?

[effpeetee]

EDIT: Has anyone actually got a network going using W7?

I would like to know before I admit defeat and forget the whole idea,

Frank

Sorry to resurrect this post, but although I had the printer working from both computers, it has decided to stop doing so overnight.

When I try to start a Home network, this is what I get on screen (http://www.exitfegs.co.uk/network.jpg).
The IPv6 is already set and both computers access the Internet without a problem.
I am totally out of ideas. Lucky rabbits feet, tea-cup readings or even actual miracles gladly received.:D

Frank

[effpeetee]

Has anyone actually got a network going using W7?


May I bump this for a simple answer.

Frank

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

Yes I have. I've networked my entire house. Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7. They all see each other. I did this by changing the workgroup under system properties. Oracle I believe also suggested this. I'm really not sure why you are using IPv6.

I'm using IPv4 and OpenDNS doesn't say its required. Clearly you aren't doing something correctly.

My advice stick to one operating system. You seem to have trouble every time you upgrade.

[effpeetee]

Aero.

Open DNS told me to disable v6. But one of the browsers told me that I needed it.
It is enabled now but one of the trouble shooters with w 7 tell me that it is not.

As it actualy is enabled, what do I do now. Is there any way to restore the defaults. I have spent hours Googling and trying everything suggested to no effect. I really do not know which way to go now.

I have already re-installed W7 three times. I have even bought a new modem/router and printer.
(Both of which were old anyway.) Nothing seems to work. I keep getting the same panel come up.

When I try to start a Home network, This is what I get on screen (http://exitfegs.co.uk/network.jpg).

Just don't know where to go from here.
I actually had the printer sharing working with the W7 beta.

Frank

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

Do all of your systems have Windows 7 on them? Homegroup can be nice but I don't think its necessary in your case. I don't use Homegroup and I can network just fine.

[effpeetee]

Do all of your systems have Windows 7 on them? Homegroup can be nice but I don't think its necessary in your case. I don't use Homegroup and I can network just fine.
Yes, both the Laptop and the Desktop have Windows 7 Professional on them. the retail version. Printer sharing worked fine with the betas. Had very little trouble networking with XP. My troubles started with Vista. I really thought that W7 was OK until I loaded the retail version.
Something is obviously amiss, but even W7's trouble shooters cannot find it. They keep giving me the same error panel.

What do you suggest. Should I just start another network type?

Thanks for your help.
Frank

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

If you want to stick with Homegroup have you followed the steps here?

http://www.ehow.com/how_5567435_use-homegroup-windows.html

If you don't care then just change the windows workgroups to be the same. By default I believe they are MSHOME.

[effpeetee]

Thanks Aero,

I'll try the second way. Each time I try to config the Homegroup, I get the same error panel and can go no further.

Frank

[oracleguy]

With what we figured out the other week, cannot you not access the computers anymore?

I personally wouldn't use those wizards for sharing computers. Typically they are unreliable and don't work very well, at least that has been the case in every version of Windows yet. And they aren't really needed.

As Aero said you can just set the workgroup yourself.

[effpeetee]

Keep coming up with the same result as shown previously. IPv6 not enabled. YET IT IS!

Can somebody tell me what should be in the IPv6 panel so that I can copy it.

It's here to see. (http://exitfegs.co.uk/net3.jpg)

Frank

IPconfigs:-

Desktop.
IPv4 address 192.168.1.2
subnet mask 255.255.255.0
Default gateway 192.168.1.1

Laptop.
IPv4 address 192.168.1.3
Link local IPv6 address fe80::fe961:1389:dfeb:bdefx11
subnet mask 255.255.255.0
Default gateway 192.168.1.1

[effpeetee]

Any last minute reprieve?

The condemned man ate a hearty breakfast.

Frank.

[drhowarddrfine]

I'm not following. You have IPv6 in your home or the internet there? You haven't filled in those blanks but the boxes are still checked so might Win7 still be looking for a IPv6 address? Uncheck IPv6 under Local Area Connections and check "Obtain automatically", restart and see what happens.

[effpeetee]

Thank you Dr but I removed what I had there for someone to tell me what should be there. The home network was OK with the Windows 7 betas. Whan I upgraded to the retail version it will not work. It will not let me get past the first panel. I have tried all manner of entries without success, that is why I wanted someone to fill in the blanks for me.

Both the computers talk to the Internet. The desktop can see the laptop. That is as far as I have been able to go. I cannot remove the home network. It will not let me. If I don't find a solution soon, I shall need a mental health doctor.

I have over twenty googled articles telling me what to do. NONE of them work. Both of the IPv4 and IPv6 panels say that they are working. The rest of the program including the Trouble-shooters say that IPv6 is not. Even Windows 7 can't make up its mind.

Any help very welcome. Thank you for your response.

Frank

[_Aerospace_Eng_]

DO NOT use IPV6. You have no reason to use it. The problem from what it seems is one computer is set to IPv4 and the other is set to IPv6. Make them BOTH IPv4.

If you can't figure it out then bring in someone who knows what they are doing. Every time you get a new OS you have an issue. Don't play with settings if you don't know what they do. This is what happens. You run into trouble.

[effpeetee]

DO NOT use IPV6. You have no reason to use it. The problem from what it seems is one computer is set to IPv4 and the other is set to IPv6. Make them BOTH IPv4.

I can go no further to make a fresh network or modify the Home network.

NO OPTION IS GIVEN ME. ALWAYS says MUST HAVE IPv6.

ALWAYS.

I am not a fool. Please don't treat me like one. I come here to learn what I do not know. If you can't help me, just ignore me. I can't read reams of text. I do not have the eyesight for it. OK, so I don't need to have a website etc.
I watched my dear wife die with Dementia five years ago. It was a heart tearing experience. I don't want to go that way. The advice I have been given includes "If you don't use it you may very well, LOSE IT." So I keep challenging my aged brain. I am not the one to sit all day in a chair.
I'd sooner be dead.

[oracleguy]

I can go no further to make a fresh network or modify the Home network.

NO OPTION IS GIVEN ME. ALWAYS says MUST HAVE IPv6.

ALWAYS.

You already have a network, we already established that. Do what drhowarddrfine said and just disable IPv6. If something in Windows demands IPv6, don't use it because it is probably a bug that is preventing it from working with IPv4.

That home network wizard is overly complicating things. If you want to access the printer on the other computer, share it from the printers applet yourself. Then use the directions I gave you in the other thread and access the computer using the IP (version 4) address. In the window it brings up there should be either the printer itself or a printers folder with it in it. It will let you install the remote printer on your local computer.

[effpeetee]

I have tried removing IPv6. It makes no difference. It will not let me form a new network or alter anything useful in the Home one. It keeps telling me to enable IPv6.:confused:

This is the latest (http://exitfegs.co.uk/net4.jpg)

It happens whether I try the Homegroup or try to start a new network.

Frank

[brad211987]

It looks like you are still using the wizard and trying to set up a home group. Try this:



Click start
Right click "Computer"
Click "properties"
Select "Advanced System Settings"
Select the tab: "Computer name"
Where it says "To rename this computer or change its domain or workgroup click Change"......click "Change"
Set the radio button to "Workgroup"
Type in "MSHOME" and click "OK"

It will probably complain and want you to restart, appease it and repeat the same steps on other computers, regardless of operating system. This should put all computers on the same workgroup and they should all be able to talk without much trouble.

I've never been able to configure a network through a wizard, so I've just assumed that they don't work very well.

[effpeetee]

Is this what you had in mind? (http://exitfegs.co.uk/net5.jpg)

Frank

[brad211987]

very close, I did not mean to have you change the computer name, just the workgroup. You can leave it set to "WORKGROUP" also, the key point is that it needs to be the same workgroup name on all computers on your network.

[effpeetee]

very close, I did not mean to have you change the computer name, just the workgroup. You can leave it set to "WORKGROUP" also, the key point is that it needs to be the same workgroup name on all computers on your network.
brad211987 ,

I have now done both computers and get the same result. Must have IPv6 set.

Can you tell me how to fill the properties into it. It is the same as IPv4 at present.

V4 works; v6 doesn't. I think I'll just go quietly mad and foam at the mouth. Or perhaps I'll settle for a SCREAM!

Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it.

Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. - Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Frank - It's 2235 here. Off to bed. Back in the morning.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[brad211987]

set the radio button to obtain an address automatically. Most devices that I use don't bother giving you a v6 address but I still have it set to obtain automatically, it just came that way.

[effpeetee]

set the radio button to obtain an address automatically. Most devices that I use don't bother giving you a v6 address but I still have it set to obtain automatically, it just came that way.
Yes. That is what I have done. Still doesn't work. I am going to install Windows AGAIN, this time a complete install, not an upgrade.

Wish me luck. Many thanks for your help.

Frank

[brad211987]

whats not working about it? Did it not let you set the workgroup?

[effpeetee]

whats not working about it? Did it not let you set the workgroup?
It was just deadlock. No way to go but start again with the same result.

I have now clean installed Windows 7 on both machines, and can see the network from each end. I am in the process of installing the printer and re-registering all my software.

Watch this space!

EDIT: Network OK now that I have re-installed W& on both computers and started again. All on network visible and functional including the printer.

The nightmare is hopefully over. My grateful thanks to all who have helped especially brad211987

Frank