2.4Ghz P4 CPU.

[Mhtml]

Okey dokey, I've decided on my processor without a doubt. The 2.4 Ghz Pentium 4 processor is in my price range and provides enough power for what I want to do.

Now I have run into a problem, intel.com doesn't seem to want to tell anyone about the 2.4Ghz cpu so I can't find all the specs on it.

Firstly besides about 10 bucks what is the difference between A and B 2.4 processors?

Secondly the 2.4 is now using 533Mhz FSB?

Thirdly it uses a northwood core does it not?

[Sparky]

Correct me her if i am wrong...

The 2.4a is the 400MHz FSb version, and the 2.4b is the 533 one. They are both Northwood core's

[oracleguy]

Sparky is correct.

I've built 4 systems using the 2.4b CPU and they run really good. I've used RIMM and DDR with them too.

I'd go with the B version because especially with the Intel 875 chipset and the 800MHz FSB chips coming out, then your CPU will be compatible with those newer motherboards should you choose to upgrade it later.

[Mhtml]

Thanks OracleGuy/Sparky! :D:thumbsup:

Now it's off to search of a mobo. :)

[Mhtml]

After a lot of searching I have found this board (http://tw.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_GA-8SG800.htm) from Gigabyte, it has 533Mhz FSB and AGP8X not SATA though :( , still it's future proofed for at least 2 years me thinks.

It uses the SiS 648 chipset which supports hyper-threading so if they release HT on 2.4Ghz + processors I'll be set to get one.

[oracleguy]

This (http://tw.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_GA-8PE667%20Ultra.htm) motherboard is a pretty good one too. I've used it before, just make sure you use PC2700 DDR with it to maximize performance.

Just thought I'd point it out in case you hadn't seen it.

[Mhtml]

Yeah I've seen that one, it's AGP 4X though. I'm trying to get a board that's cheap (of course) yet has a 533Mhz FSB and a 8X AGP.

That way I'm future proofed. . . for a while that is.

[Morgoth]

Not that I am trying to give advice or anything, but, the 2.4GhzB is the one I am probibly going to get! WE WILL OWN THE COMPUTER WORLD WITH IT!

[mouse]

I have a 2.4A, I'd definitely get a 2.4B though providing you get PC2700 and run the 3:4 divider. You might want to check the price difference to the 2.53 mind.

[Morgoth]

Funny thing is, the store that I might buy the 2.4A and the 2.4B from has the price of A a little more then B.. I think it's funny, but I understand why.

[Mhtml]

It's the same everywhere almost for that... funny though .

3:4 divider...uh? Please explain.

A 2.53 is almost 200 smackers more than the 2.4 over here, I figured since the gain isn't quite as a 2.66 or 88 would give I wouldn't get one.

Hopefully next year I will get myself something BIG, whatever isn't quite the newest but not crap .. probably be like 3.4 or something. Might upgrade my mobo then as well to take advantage of 800Mhz fsb which I'm sure the'll have implemented by jan04. ... That year is going to be nothing but non stop games after july coz I get my high school certificate and have 4 months before uni. :D ... my life is moving as fast as ghz keep climbing.

[Morgoth]

800fsb mother board is a good deal, but if I am ABLE to get my new computer soon, I don't know if I could wait for that.
How I see it, since I am upgrading to a HIGH processor speed compaired to my 266mhz, I think that, if I just get the processor that has the highest fsb at the moment, I wont be bothered to try and get the NEWEST processor, or the NEWEST mother board right away!

I think a 534 (or whatever) fsb is just fine, and I don't think waiting for 800 will be worth it in this situation...

[Mhtml]

266!:eek: My box is a 200! :eek::eek:

[Mhtml]

Alrighty. . . Krycek has educated me to the fact that AMD processors clocked lower than most p4 actually whomp them in preformance... :eek:!

So I've decided to go for an AMD XP 2400+ since it's waaaaay cheaper than the p4 2.4 and out preforms it.

I'm also going to get an Abit NF7-s mobo which has a nice array of features. :)

[Mhtml]

Originally posted by Morgoth
Not that I am trying to give advice or anything, but, the 2.4GhzB is the one I am probibly going to get! WE WILL OWN THE COMPUTER WORLD WITH IT!

Sorry Morgoth, looks like it'll just be me owning the computer world...oh well. lol ;)

[Morgoth]

I hate AMD processors... In a test that I read some where on a google search, the best proccessor came out to be the newer versions of p4, and AMD athlon was barely under p4 for the processes that use 100% of the processor (like games), but AMD wins for office types of processes.

I don't remember exactly what it was, but I might find it again later... I just really don't like amd proccessors... (long story)

[Mhtml]

Actually AMD is better for games than P4.

Check out this link:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-15.html

The XP 2400+ which is what I'm going to get is 2.13Ghz yet look at where it's positioned in that test, only 300 away from the intel p4b processor...think about it, I'm paying almost $80 less for my processor than I would if I got a P4.

[mouse]

Yeah, now check out the 3D Mark 2001se orb, notice those Pentium 4's at the top. :rolleyes:;)

[oracleguy]

Mhtml btw, you don't gotta wait until Jan to get a 800mhz fsb mobo, they are already out. Using the 875 chipset.

I'd also recommend you don't get an AMD. I used to like them but then they implemented their totally screwed up PR codes I lost interest... like the 3000+ runs slower than the 2800+ XP... i mean wtf?

And the fact that their CPUs are just starting to feature 512K L2 cache with their Barton line and their FSBs are still slower than Intel's.

[Sparky]

I dont think the top off the 3dmark tables is a good indication off what platform is better for gaming. The fact that 3dmark is not a terribly good banchmark, combined with the ridiculous settings, cooling and hardware mods thoes scores are achived under, too me pretty much takes thoes scores out off the equation.

You choice should be heavily based around prices and availabilty. If you can get an XP2400 a lot cheaper than the 2.4 gig P4, then that would probably be a pretty good bet. There does not seem too be a great deal between the two performance wise.

What kind of stuff you looking too use this new computer for?


Ohh, and the new 2.8, 2.6 and 2.4 GHz P4 "c's" coming out next month will be available in HT versions.

[Mhtml]

I'll be using it for well..games, um games and more games and graphics work.

I know that the HT versions will be coming out soon but they will be to expensive for me, and the 2400 fits well in my range.

But, next year I will most likely get some big pentium beast as I plan to build another computer then. For that reason I'm not terribly worried about missing out on much at the moment.

But still focus on the 2.4,2.5 and the XP 2400 the 2.4 is in my range but a 2400 is even more in my range enabling me to get a good mobo yet still have good preformance, I know the faster pentiums are killing the field but the slower ones which I can get aren't winning by much.

[ionsurge]

The Intel Pentium processors are theoretically faster than the Athlon rivals. It does in fact get whooped by the same processor. A little note of warning though, The XP2400 does not run at 2.4 GHz, but I think 2.2 - AMD's idiotic idea...

I would completely go for a pentium, although it costs more, definately, when Intel can get it right, like they pretty much have done already with the Xeon Processor, the Pentium counterpart of the rival Athlon processor would whoop them into kingdom come.

There is not much difference when you are running a game with over 2GHz, with either processor, if the games will never use that kind of processing power. A quality motherboard would fetch between $250 USD, which is well worth the money when you do pay for it.

I am not sure if this will help you much, or rather if this is a little late.


Anyway, good luck.



:)

[oracleguy]

the 2400+ runs at 2GHz, which the of course only put in the fine print...

And you can get a good Pentium 4 motherboard for around $150 USD from a good company like GigaByte, A-Bit, MSI, or ASUS.

[mouse]

Thre are some fairly comprehensive benchmarks of loads of cpu's, starting here: http://anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1810&p=5

[Mhtml]

I plan to OC it a bit now so I think that'll make it even better value for money.

[mouse]

The chip of the moment seems to be the 2.4c, it's rare but they overclock very well, reason being that they're really just 3.0c's downclocked by the multiplier. Important thing with c chips is to get fast memory like some PC3200.

[ionsurge]

Have a look at www.overclockers.co.uk - they will be pretty informative for you.

[mouse]

Yep, ocuk are one of the few places in the world who actually have 2.4c, 2.6c and 2.8c chips in stock, good place to buy processors too, they even have the c1 steppings up of older chips, well known to overclock well.