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masterofollies
06-28-2009, 04:47 AM
I have been getting some flak to some of the stuff I do for people. Either coding help, or giving people my secure login scripts to use for free.

I feel I do not need to defend myself against this stuff. Instead I will no longer be giving coding advice or help to anyone on here. So please don't PM me for help anymore either. I am done.

Yes only about 60% - 70% of my coding help, actually helped, I am still learning myself and feel I have enough experience to hold my own. I do like testing new stuff, what can it hurt by experimenting and suggesting ways of patching codes? Nobody is 100% perfect, (even tho Fou Lu is awfully close, dang you ;) )

But anyways, just putting this out there. I will still be asking my own help for some harder complex scripts I go through on my websites.

Thank you all to whoever reads this.

WA
06-28-2009, 09:20 AM
I'm sorry if you feel you've been attacked for helping people out (I know of one thread which this occurred in). I think as one of the more senior members, it's unavoidable that you attract some critics along the way. As long as you always remain polite in your response to criticism, I think eventually you will win these people over as well.

Regardless of whether you decide to stay on CF or not (I hope you do), I hope you don't let a few critical comments affect what you're passionate about in life. :)

masterofollies
06-28-2009, 06:28 PM
I will remain for the help that I need on my scripts, just not going to try to help anyone else. It will really hurt my learning curve also.

Just wish stronger action was taken against these people so we can ultimately remove them from this forum forever. You get those people who just complain and beg in every one of their posts. We don't need those type of people. We are suppose to be professionals here.

Apostropartheid
06-28-2009, 08:11 PM
If these people have personally attacked you, we have a problem. If they have attacked your code, then there's nothing technically wrong with what they're doing. If you felt you have been insulted, did you use the Report This Post function? This usually draws a moderator's attention fairly quickly.

Rowsdower!
06-28-2009, 08:24 PM
I will remain for the help that I need on my scripts, just not going to try to help anyone else. It will really hurt my learning curve also.

Just wish stronger action was taken against these people so we can ultimately remove them from this forum forever. You get those people who just complain and beg in every one of their posts. We don't need those type of people. We are suppose to be professionals here.

Come on, seriously? How does that help the community?

Anyway, depending on who this is or how many attacks you have been under, why not just add the offenders to your ignore list? How are you being given flak for offering a free script, anyway? I just don't get this...

masterofollies
06-28-2009, 08:45 PM
@Cyan, sometimes it's another coder trying to help with the someones questions, other times it's the person asking the question that gets rude. Like one person needed help and I supplied the coding needed to fix the problem (tested and worked) and he said something to this extent "masterofollies your stupid coding is worthless to me, stop replying to my threads".

Someone wanted help with making a secure login script for an administrator control panel. I've made a dozen of these, it's one of my strongest points. I told him that I would give him one of mine, all he needs to do is put his database info in it and it's good to go. Others replied laughing saying how all I wanted was a thank you post from it. Which I don't mind being thanked, but I like helping people. It wasn't for the thanks, it was to hope someone who is stuck with a problem. How would you feel if you needed help and every person ignored you? You'd never come back here again.

@Rows, it doesn't help the community, but I don't feel I need to be treated like that half the time. I'd rather just hide in the shadows.

I didn't know about the ignore list. When I first came to this forum a long time ago, I just jumped into it, haven't looked at all of my options. It wasn't about getting flak about the script its self, it was "helping a beggar" as some people call it.

vinyl-junkie
06-28-2009, 11:02 PM
it doesn't help the community, but I don't feel I need to be treated like that half the time. I'd rather just hide in the shadows.
I have to say I rather agree with CyanLight. You really should report those people that are being rude, rather than let them beat you down to the point where you no longer want to help people in the forums.

As moderators, we can issue an infraction to people like that. It's called "flaming and insulting other members" and is very much frowned upon. You would be helping us -- and yourself -- by reporting such posts.

Please don't let those people drag you down. You are a valuable member of these forums, and I would hate to see you stop helping the members here because of the actions of a few people.

bazz
06-29-2009, 12:35 AM
Like one person needed help and I supplied the coding needed to fix the problem (tested and worked) and he said something to this extent "masterofollies your stupid coding is worthless to me, stop replying to my threads".


do as they ask then. Stop replying to them. :cool:

But please do not let that stop you from helping others who do appreciate it because then that one individual - who flamed you or whatever - has had an effect on the whole of this site and its forums, and on many poeple too and that is way to much power for someone like that.

Their actions - as reported by you - say more about them (in a negative way), than it could ever have been negative about you. :)

Keep at it.

If you only ask here for help and don't give anything back, you will defeat the object of these forums and we'll all lose out. And will this 'losing out', be just because of one 'less than grateful person' or because of the reaction to such a person? more likely the latter :(


It's like the physics concept of 'cause and effect'. That person who annoyed you controls the cause of your annoyance. But you have control of how it affects you. If you react as you seem to have considered, you will have let them control your reaction too. Better to consider this thread as the letting off of steam and get back to being just as you were.


bazz

masterofollies
06-29-2009, 01:05 AM
@Vinyl, I ignored them in the past, didn't want any people pissed at me for reporting them. But after the many years I have been here, it's built up.

@Bazz, Yes but even tho my coding fixes exactly what they want, why do they need to tell me off and accept help from someone else?

It'd just be nice to either have more mod's so they can review every topic, or stronger enforce it.

EDIT: and this is my opinion, not trying to tell you all what to do.

vinyl-junkie
06-29-2009, 02:46 AM
@Vinyl, I ignored them in the past, didn't want any people pissed at me for reporting them. But after the many years I have been here, it's built up.
Posts can be reported by anyone. They can be pissed at you if they want, but in reality, if one of their posts is reported, it could be reported by anyone.


@Bazz, Yes but even tho my coding fixes exactly what they want, why do they need to tell me off and accept help from someone else?
Some people are just jerks by nature. It's unfortunate, but that's life.


It'd just be nice to either have more mod's so they can review every topic, or stronger enforce it.

EDIT: and this is my opinion, not trying to tell you all what to do.
We mods look at quite a few topics, but the forums are so large that we can't look at every single thread/post. It helps to have other forum members be our eyes when we might otherwise miss a situation that needed some sort of correction.

Lest I sound totally insensitive to your plight, masterofollies, I've been the target of others' wrath/flaming on occasion myself, and I know from personal experience that it isn't a comfortable spot to be in. It undermines your self-confidence and hurts your feelings. I understand that. I think it helps to vent your frustration when it gets to the point that it obviously has with you.

Someone said it earlier in this thread, but you give power to the flamers/insulters when you yourself buy into what they're saying about you. You've said yourself that the code works that you've given other people. Focus on that, not whether they like it or not. That's what really matters.

masterofollies
06-29-2009, 03:39 AM
I guess what I am trying to say is this. It only takes a single jerk to ruin me. If someone says something against me or my coding, and a dozen people see that, what do they think? They think I do not know what I am talking about.

bazz
06-29-2009, 05:09 AM
It only takes a single jerk to ruin me.

to runi you? I don't understand how they could do that.



If someone says something against me or my coding, and a dozen people see that, what do they think? They think I do not know what I am talking about.

No, not all all - certainly from my perspective. :thumbsup:

If you write code and someone trashes you over it, I too will be able to see the code. I can decide for myself whether the code is good but, more importantly - I will be able to see that you tried to help the other person or at least try to point them in the right direction. That in itself is a lot more constructive than them trashing you.

So, with them simply trashing you it means nothing - except to show them up. they asked for help: they got some, and then they trash it. not worth helping them again.

Sometimes I shy away from posting because I know that someone else who is regularly around here will post a much less verbose answer. short code is good and easier to maintain, long term. But I will help if I actually do know the answer or if they have got bogged down and need a prompt to remind them what they are aiming for and also, if I think I know the answer. If my answer is wrong or not as efficient as it could be, I too will have learned when someone else who is more experienced points out my errors/shortcomings/inexperience. After all, aren't we here to try to learn?

This thread reminds me of a time >= 6 months ago when I was trashed and criticised. I had asked for help with some js and I received some much appreciated help from this guy.

In my subsequent post, I thanked them but asked if it could be made to do another bit, which had been part of my initial request in my OP. Anyway, he trashed me for asking for one thing and then for wasting his time when I wanted something else. He should have read my OP slower I think.

Anyway, I pondered reported the post simply because he had been harsh/ott and plainly wrong in his outburst. I haven't seen him about since and can't even recall his name.

Best to let the flamers burn themselves out. Don't let it get to you.

bazz

ohgod
06-29-2009, 02:49 PM
it's the internet, man. get some thicker skin. kinda silly to get worked up with what some fool has to say on an internet forum. it certainly isn't worth the boost in blood pressure.

just tell them your dad's code can beat up their dad's code. even if they don't see how goofy they look, everyone else will haha.

masterofollies
06-29-2009, 03:23 PM
Last night I posted a PHP script in PHP forum under snippets. It works fine and is secure and encrypted, just a bit messy. Easy to clean up. It's a simple Administrator Control Panel. Complete with register, login, logout, admin page, css file, and the secure checker. Hope that helps your community.

masterofollies
07-01-2009, 03:04 PM
Told you all I couldn't do anything right, seem now people hate my "Simple" administrator control panel snippet.

http://codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=170389

Aerospace and I haven't gotten along good because of a past argument, so I was expecting that.

I did forget to mention to delete registeracc.php afterwards, but there is NOTHING harmful about it. It's a base for people to add onto, and to learn. Newbies making a control panel for the first time is going to be completely confused with random salt and stuff. This is a simple basic one to get the job done. If they have experience they can add extra security to it.

See? I tried to help your community and my efforts were in vain.

bazz
07-01-2009, 03:42 PM
I shan't say much in case I upset you too. :cool:

I do not see any reason to have an issue with Aero about this. He knows what he is 'talking' about and when he sees something that isn't as it should be, usually, he'll say something. Useful way to have comments/script validated, I say. Which sort of means if there wasn't any security issue, he would have had nothing to say.

The fact that you later said to remove a script so that no-one could use it shows there was an issue with security when Aero looked at it. And, also, I think it is true to say that simply by removing a script fixes the security issues doesn't pass muster for me either.

A script must be secure when it is online.There are set principles for what makes something secure and if scripts fall outside those, then they are deemed insecure and cannot/ought not to be referred to as secure.

Just think: we only know you from your posts in CF. Imagine if you were a nasty person and you wanted to hack peoples sites. what better way to do so than by posting a 'secure' control panel/admin area, which isn't secure knowing that some people would use it? I don't believe that to be a description of you but, the script could achieve the same result.

Obviously, you know quite a bit about php. But you are working on scripts for the most contentious part of web-programming - web security. I think you should stick to other parts of php in the forums until you have security issues mastered. Then you can post them if you wish.

bazz

Brandoe85
07-01-2009, 04:47 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what was posted about your script, they were giving you feedback / advice, it's the entire point of that forum.


In short- it's constructive criticism...and light'n up! :D

abduraooft
07-01-2009, 04:55 PM
I do not see any reason to have an issue with Aero about this. He knows what he is 'talking' about and when he sees something that isn't as it should be, usually, he'll say something. Useful way to have comments/script validated, I say. Which sort of means if there wasn't any security issue, he would have had nothing to say. How did you deduce that name?

Apostropartheid
07-01-2009, 06:14 PM
How did you deduce that name?
OP said it?

I'm afraid I don't either. It feel it's a case of you being slightly too touchy. The members were trying to improve your script, that is all. You take it all to heart, but they did not mean anything harmful about it. I will contact a serverside mod to delete the topic if you wish, but I think that would be a real shame and loss.

masterofollies
07-01-2009, 06:18 PM
Look Cyan, you don't know the history between me and him. We haven't gotten along in the past year. It isn't me being touchy.

bazz
07-01-2009, 06:31 PM
oh dear.

If you have an issue with anyone it's best either, to keep it to yourself, or between you and that other person. Doing it in the public environment of forums, because usually the person who brings up the matter is the one who comes off with a dented reputation. (and I don't mean that in terms of the rep button).

It's good to remember that history is just that - the past. keeping bringing it up just perpetuates it.

bazz

Rowsdower!
07-01-2009, 07:23 PM
Told you all I couldn't do anything right, seem now people hate my "Simple" administrator control panel snippet.

http://codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=170389

Aerospace and I haven't gotten along good because of a past argument, so I was expecting that.

I did forget to mention to delete registeracc.php afterwards, but there is NOTHING harmful about it. It's a base for people to add onto, and to learn. Newbies making a control panel for the first time is going to be completely confused with random salt and stuff. This is a simple basic one to get the job done. If they have experience they can add extra security to it.

See? I tried to help your community and my efforts were in vain.

OK, technically speaking (and on the whole), did the posts of the other forum members improve either the script, the instructions to use it, or both? Let's stick to the "yes or no" format for fun and avoid any "if's, and's, or but's" to qualify an answer. Just remove all emotion from the equation, look at the thread again, and give a one-word answer to this question.

I would argue that they did. Is this not the point of responding to such a thread?

I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who hadn't found one of Aero's responses somewhere along the way to be a bit abrasive. I think that this one, by comparison, was rather mild compared to some that I have seen. That appears to be the nature of this beast. But in the end, did Aero's post make either your script or its instructions better for the "newbies" you mean to help? Yes, I believe it did (as did the other posts in that thread).

This does not discount the effort or skills you put into the project, it merely adds polish and clarity to a script that you mean to distribute to less experienced members. I don't think that there is anything fundamentally wrong with that.

If this is the extent of the flak you have been taking then I am sorry to say that much of it seems to come from your own attitude about other peoples' posts.

And with this as a sig:
Don't ask for advice or help, I won't help this community anymore. Shut up

I can't imagine anyone wanting to help you. Frankly, over the last few days you have turned me completely off with your poor attitude.

Here's to hoping you snap out of it... :(

oracleguy
07-01-2009, 07:41 PM
Told you all I couldn't do anything right, seem now people hate my "Simple" administrator control panel snippet.

http://codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=170389

Aerospace and I haven't gotten along good because of a past argument, so I was expecting that.

I did forget to mention to delete registeracc.php afterwards, but there is NOTHING harmful about it. It's a base for people to add onto, and to learn. Newbies making a control panel for the first time is going to be completely confused with random salt and stuff. This is a simple basic one to get the job done. If they have experience they can add extra security to it.

See? I tried to help your community and my efforts were in vain.

I read that thread and I don't see anyone saying they hated it. You posted it and you got feedback on it. You aren't obligated to follow their suggestions. Aero correction on where to put the die statement is correct; little bugs like that happen, it doesn't reflect poorly on you.

masterofollies
07-01-2009, 10:35 PM
I read that thread and I don't see anyone saying they hated it. You posted it and you got feedback on it. You aren't obligated to follow their suggestions. Aero correction on where to put the die statement is correct; little bugs like that happen, it doesn't reflect poorly on you.

And I did edit and add that die part. However saying its unsecure and unsafe to use, I disagree with that part.

I have already requested the whole topic be deleted, if anyone can do it faster, please do.

My signature is to let everyone know that I am a pathetic coder, and can't help anyone, nor will I try. The shut up part is about trying to tell me im wrong and that I need to understand and all.

bazz
07-01-2009, 11:04 PM
@master: I have spent ages - literally ages - trying to built an IT solution. I am hopelessly passionate about what I am aiming for and I do not like even to think that anyone could have something competitive. My customers tell me it is brilliant and then some of them will come back and say erm, when I try to enter this data, it throws up 1970. or something else.

I have tested and big fixed until I am now mostly grey-haired. I can find nothing wrong. The reality is that when someone does find something wrong - it therefore IS wrong. Better to think - shoot, I frikked up: I'll fix it right now, rather than say 'you dummass, I have built this and I 'know' its perfect so you are plain wrong. How many customers would I have next week if I behaved like that? a big fat 0 I think. It is the same in a forum. You have built code. it does what it does but it has a few flaws, seemingly. Try to get over it and take the positive out of that criticism. If they hadn't offered help, you would be thinking you had excellent code AND excellent security and when you really begin to work for your programming, you would be way behind the competition because they would have taken the positives earlier. Steep learning curve and probably a new way to think about things.

But I would hope you don't disappear from these boards or stop helping because then, you are following the same trend as discussed a couple of days ago - where you took someone's criticism and reacted such that they won out. Remember no-one is better than anyone else (all = in terms of lawfullnsss and morality etc ) but we each know different things. This is what lead to the expression, 'No man is an island' (man meaning the human species, [before someone complains]), and my Grandmother's expression "There's none as stupid as those who won't learn".

You have shown you can learn, so I hope you learn to take all the criticism as genuine effort to help. Remember people took time to offer it for no charge. They had no vested interest in telling you anything.

As for the assertion that Aero can be harsh: I reserve judgement. Perhaps he is just binary in his thought process and so everything is 'this' or 'that' with no in between. But you gotta hand it to him and some others. they devote large amounts of time for no payment to give help and advice to others. That deserves a bit of latitude when it comes to harshness.

waffle over.

bazz

masterofollies
07-02-2009, 01:05 AM
Please moderators delete this topic, as I am deleting my account and going to a forum with nicer people.

WA
07-02-2009, 01:12 AM
In the best interest of everyone, I'm closing thread- masterofollies has expressed his desire to move on from CF.



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