Work on Different Web Development Tools

[charon]

hi,
I'm now "playing" with three web developement tools (Front Page, Interdev and Dreamweaver)
by activating the Check Out / Check In System with the MS Front-Page's Built-in Source Control in a multi-authoring environment. And I found that:

1)We can use these three web developement tools in a multi-authoring environment. For FRont Page and Interdev, I think once the Built-In Source Control is activated, it is shared between FrontPage and Interdev (is it true?? Do we still need Visual SourceSafe, In visual Interdev, when talk about Source Control, it refers to Visual SourceSafe)).

Just assume that member A using FP and B using Interdev, if B trying to check out the test.asp file which has been checked out by A, B will be warned that "The file has been checked out by A" and Visa Versa.

Just assume that there has another member call C, C is using Dreamweaver, C won't know the "activies". But C will only know that there has new version when C trying to save. But, if C is checking out / checking in the file, A and B will know as there is .lck under the file.

2)The development features have been changed when there has source control enabled or disabled. when the source control is enabled, I can't see the pencil icon when I have checked out the file for editing. Instead I can see the "tick" icon. I can't "Add to Master web" as well for the new file that I have created during source control disabled time.

3)If the FrontPage and Interdev are used in the same machine and use for editing the same web at the same time, I found that:
a.) Just assume that I check out the test.asp from FP, at the same time I still be able to check it out from the Interdev without any warning message. I made the change at the Interdev and try to save it and check out, the change is reflected. After that if you try to USE THE "SAVE MENU" from the FILE MENU, the test.asp will be saved and overwrite the test.asp without any warning. UNLESS we use the "Check In", the a warning message with "The test.asp file is no longer check out" only will be displayed. WHY??? MISTAKE?
b.) In Front Page, the PadLock icon won't be shown when check In done at the same machine. It only shown if someone else from others machine do the check in/ check out. ARE THEY (a and b) because of "Same Machine -> treat as same author"

Any Advice????

[raf]

Advice = don't use code genaraters.;) Your a programmer, not a tool-expert.
Specially : don't start editing pages with multiple tools. They can hardly understand thereown code if it ets complicated, so imagen what happens if they need to modify code that was generated by other tools.

[charon]

hi,

Don't don't worry, even I use the Development tools, but usually I won't use the thereown code, I handcode it. I use the Interdev and FrontPage just for the controling purpose in a multi-auhoring purpose.

So, would it be possible for anyone of you answer my below listed questions:

1.) If we don't have front page, but only have front page Server Extension, can we use the Front Page's Built in Source Control?? This is because I enabled the check in /check out system from the front page.

2.) If without checking the "enabled check in / check out system" / or we don't have Front Page, we must use Visual SourceSafe right?

3.) I face the problem of the Web Folder Structure for my current web-site (which I didn't use Server Extension to create new web (project), and the site is stored under the wwwroot directory, the default.asp is exactly under the wwwroot directory, as well as others sub folders). When we create a new project (In Interdev), our project is located at inetpub/wwwroot/newproject (Staging(local copy)). Normally, for the path parameter, i start with a slash. For instances:

I have default.asp in the root directory, and under the root directory (newproject)I have Folder1, Folder2 and Include Folder so, when I'm trying to point to the default.asp, in the path parameter, I start with slash (a href="/default.asp" </a> ). If I use the Server Extension, and Interdev/FrontPage to create new project (by add in the existing web site) then all the Links will not correct, I have to change all the path. That is instead I'm using relative path. (not start with slash).

4.)4.) Oh ya, when I try to manually create the New Folder/ New files from the Window Explorer I found that it won't automatically add into the source control, we must add it via Interdev. So, that is mean that we better create / add folders/file from the Interdev??

Thank You.

[charon]

why no reply for this topic, seldom codingforums.com don't have reply.

[raf]

i don't know. I didn't reply because i just don't understand your problem/situation and i don't use any of these packages. Most coders here wount use them either, i presume.

I just open wordpad or PHPEd or mse.exe and start typing in code. (occasionaly use Adobe GoLive for multimedia and stuff).

To set up a new application, i just open my IIIS and create a new site.

[whammy]

I'm not sure either (although I was on vacation for a week recently!).

But I would totally avoid using tools like FrontPage and DreamWeaver for classic ASP (IMHO), since from what I've seen they just produce bloated code (in the case of DW) or incorrect code (in the case of FrontPage - granted I haven't given it a chance with ASP code, and it's not likely that I will EVER give it a chance with server-side scripting considering the way it mangles HTML/Javascript).

[whammy]

To try and answer your questions.

1.) I don't know.
2.) I'd assume you'd either want to backup your files or use something like SourceSafe - can't hurt to "roll back" (i.e. make sure you save your files to another directory somewhere before updating them!) if there is a programming error.
3.) Use include virtual for these paths...
4.) I don't know - I don't use these kinds of tools... ;-)