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drhowarddrfine
03-19-2009, 01:11 PM
Link (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/19/ie_8_released/)
IE8 does not work with major web sites, is difficult to code for and organizations question Microsoft's commitment to features.

Yet, by Microsoft's own tacit admission the outreach is not working.

Those who should be adopting IE are not listening to Microsoft's outreach. Major organizations like the BBC, CNN and Facebook are not supporting IE 8, while anecdotal evidence suggests those sites that purportedly do work with IE 8 - sites such as Yahoo Mail - hit hidden problems in viewing of pages or when it comes to printing.
Firefox is easier to use:

One Microsoft partner who wished to remain anonymous told us IE 8 has too many surfaces compared to Firefox, making it harder to use and navigate.
And some question Microsoft's commitment to new features:

It wouldn't be the first time Microsoft's pulled features after an initial big play or tinkered with a roadmap to kill a feature that people had committed to.
Building add-ons for IE is difficult compared to Firefox.

Microsoft, meanwhile, has admitted it's harder building add-ons for IE than Firefox - and that's according to an IE evangelist

drhowarddrfine
03-19-2009, 01:55 PM
Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/18/AR2009031803427.html)
The Washington Post says:
...the company that once bragged about integrating its Web browser with its operating system may eventually want to think about leaving the browser business to other companies.

levicki
03-20-2009, 04:14 AM
Are those claims verified?

I was just visiting facebook today from IE8 and it worked just fine :P

drhowarddrfine
03-20-2009, 05:37 AM
1) I recall reading some of that. I assume the Washington Post double checked their
sources.

2) To build add-ons for Firefox, you only need javascript with XML knowledge and
a text editor. With IE add-ons, you need the Platform SDK, Visual Studio helps
quite a bit, .NET and its interfaces, and compile the whole thing.

3) Microsoft pulled features for IE8 already and have done so in the past. The DOM was to be significantly improved but
they did next to nothing. It was to have "strong HTML5 support" but I have not heard of
anything there and haven't had a chance to check it myself. (I'm rewriting one of my ecommerce
sites in HTML5 and contribute to the Working Group's mailing list.)

4) Microsoft checked IE8 out in 20 or so web sites, Facebook being one.

For more info, see my sig below.

bazz
03-20-2009, 05:52 AM
Can't believe my eyes after reading that article linked in the OP.



All sites need do - according to Microsoft at least - is complete the relatively simply task of inserting a tag in their code in order to render pages in IE 8's default standards mode - the new, web-standards compatible version of IE rendering. Sites that don't insert the tag won't render properly, and will be viewed in IE's non-standards "compatible view" mode.

But sites aren't doing this.


They sound surprised. :rolleyes: C'mon microsoft!

Microsoft shouldn't expect small businesses to pick up the costs of microsofts 'laziness'/'incompentence'/'arrogance' such that they need to alter all their pages for thier sites to work in ie8. Standards have been around since the start of the industrial revolution (for nuts and bolts), and so they are a proven business efficiency. build that intellect into ie and you might have a good browser.

levicki
04-03-2009, 02:48 AM
You don't have to alter the page, you can add the header at the server. It's really easy, and there was no other way to allow for new mode without breaking it for those who don't want it or can't support it at the moment.

drhowarddrfine
04-03-2009, 02:09 PM
These are issues created by Microsoft and forced upon its users.

levicki
04-07-2009, 11:29 PM
These are issues created by Microsoft and forced upon its users.

I don't see any issues here. It took me less than 15 seconds to add:



Header set X-UA-Compatible "IE8"


To my website .htaccess file.

drhowarddrfine
04-08-2009, 05:35 PM
Yes. More hacking for IE. Every new browser from Microsoft requires considerable hacking to get it to work like all the other more modern browsers. It just can never stand on its own. It will always need helpers and Microsoft even said IE9 won't work with the modern web, too. (IEBlog. IE9 won't run XHTML, <canvas>, SVG, and much more. Stay tuned.)

Digitalman
04-21-2009, 12:23 PM
IE8. they try to make it better each time a new version comes out but never gets anywhere just creates more problems. the future is firefox


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Fumigator
04-21-2009, 07:08 PM
Can someone please just make a virus that gets spread to all computers everywhere that simply starts Firefox when the IE icon is clicked? Thank you.

oesxyl
04-21-2009, 07:19 PM
Can someone please just make a virus that gets spread to all computers everywhere that simply starts Firefox when the IE icon is clicked? Thank you.
you have some preference for the name? like drhowarddrfine or something? :)

best regards

bazz
04-21-2009, 08:52 PM
or splorigator :D

ohgod
04-21-2009, 09:20 PM
Can someone please just make a virus that gets spread to all computers everywhere that simply starts Firefox when the IE icon is clicked? Thank you.

i suppose we could ask to borrow conficker. whoever wrote it would probably understand.

drhowarddrfine
04-21-2009, 10:40 PM
you have some preference for the name? like drhowarddrfine or something? :)

No, cause Doc doesn't have a browser preference. Doc thinks browsers are personal preferences. Doc believes in 3rd parties except when speaking of himself.

I think such a virus should randomly select an alternative browser and its name would be the Major Advancement for a Free Internet Association. The MAFIA.

oesxyl
04-21-2009, 11:03 PM
No, cause Doc doesn't have a browser preference. Doc thinks browsers are personal preferences. Doc believes in 3rd parties except when speaking of himself.

I think such a virus should randomly select an alternative browser and its name would be the Major Advancement for a Free Internet Association. The MAFIA.
who is Doc?

best regards

BoldUlysses
04-21-2009, 11:07 PM
who is Doc?

Himself:

http://www.sufferndesign.com/helping/doc_brown.jpg

:D

Fumigator
04-21-2009, 11:41 PM
Msuffern king of image clip art :p

oesxyl
04-21-2009, 11:42 PM
http://www.sufferndesign.com/helping/doc_brown.jpg
microssssoffffttttt....

I wander if is not another kind of doc, opera doc, in fact is about browsers, :)
http://www.wiseacre-gardens.com/toons/opera_doc_spear.jpg

Doc you are too serious, world can go wrong no matter how hard we want to fix it. :)
I'm not even sure I can fix myself, :)
For example I was so happy to read Fumigator request that I just forget to report his post as a ilegal request, see 1.4 from Rules (http://www.codingforums.com/rules.htm).
Now I'm still confuse how I could report myself, since I was tempted to accept, :)
Anyway is to late, window is a virus so, how could a virus be infected with another virus? :)

best regards

Fumigator
04-22-2009, 12:36 AM
For example I was so happy to read Fumigator request that I just forget to report his post as a ilegal request, see 1.4 from Rules.

:D:D:D:D

That cracked me up bad!

BabyJack
04-22-2009, 08:01 AM
the future is firefox

The future is Safari.

drhowarddrfine
04-22-2009, 04:00 PM
Actually, the future is Firefox/Chrome/Safari with a side of Opera on mobile devices.

Roughnet13888
10-01-2009, 12:47 PM
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I think it's not seen yet in these 5 months.

drhowarddrfine
10-01-2009, 04:18 PM
I think it's not seen yet in these 5 months.

Weird first post but, rather than guessing, let's look at the most quoted stat site. NetApps (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=0)

April: IE 68% Firefox 24% Others 8%
September: IE 66% Firefox 24% Others 10%

Rounded the numbers. So in about 5 months IE has lost about 2% share. For the last 5 years, IE has lost about 6% share per year and fallen from 95% to 66%. Chrome accounts for the 2% increase under Others.

Back when IE had 90%+ share, I had said that, by next year, IE would be around 50% share. Not too bad, eh?

lukedraik
10-01-2009, 11:20 PM
I would love to live in a world where IE is actually good or doesn't exist, we could all be so happy. :)



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