03-02-2003, 11:18 AM
You might also glean some information from the results there. Everything is open to the public. (You don't need to log in or anything, and I'm not asking for email addresses.)
Feel free to leave your comments about the survet, here - I'm no professional pollster, so I just asked questions that interested me. Pass the word around too - I don't have newsgroup access anymore! :-(
03-02-2003, 05:51 PM
My last question is:
13 of 14? It isn't loading all the questions and I get an error that I haven't completed the entire survey.
03-03-2003, 04:50 AM
THANKS FOR CHECKING IT OUT!! :-)
I should have taken the poll myself, before asking everyone else to try it.
Whatever happened with the service, I took out a question. (The one that asked "what language you would be interested in next"... Who cares!? I love JS!)
Anyway it works now, so check it out (again)!!
Thanks again x_goose_x! :-)
03-03-2003, 02:16 PM
ok, worked fine for me. Got the results page up at the end and everything :)
03-03-2003, 06:57 PM
I'm loving this! Not like it's the most scientific survey in the world - This survey is giving me a glimpse of our authoring community, it's practices and issues, like a dream!
Keep taking the poll folks, and if you've taken it and keep looking at the results for updates (like I have) - tell someone else to take the poll! I hope to get 50 people, within the service's 60 day time limit. After that, I think they just show the poll results!
For author like myself, who are looking to create libraries that can provide solutions to developers, you want people to take this poll as well. Not many institutions care about what we have to deal with, even though we're the ones on the frontline of development - making it ALL work (and look good to boot).
If anyone can think of a way to lobby this kind of information or survey to a tech news service (like slashdot), do so. This kind of data and recognition encourages interests and support by the internet industry, and (perhaps) will produce better code, technologies and services to us web developers.
Thanks for the enthusiasm everyone!
03-03-2003, 07:54 PM
I found some of the questions unanswerable; you should have "all" / "none" or "don't know" options
03-03-2003, 08:10 PM
Thanks for the input. You're second person to make that suggestion. I don't want a "none" or "don't know" response, so that won't happen here.
I considered, and actually made changes to the questions about what is simple and hard to do with JS, but reverted those changes. Instead I rephrased the question, to make clear that I wanted one answer. Although many answers may apply, I'm looking for the extremes of our community, not the grey.
Other than this, the survey may not fit every developers experience or breadth of knowledge. In the end, the survey is limited to my own experience and knowledge - I did create it after all. I hope you understand why I won't adjust this survey. If this has inspired you to create your own, please do! Thanks for participating!
03-03-2003, 08:56 PM
How about you broaden some of your categorical choices so people don't need those answers. Like
What about the 3-4 year people? You need choices that are a bit more scientific in their representation.
I think #8 should be multiple choice.
03-03-2003, 10:26 PM
For those who have noticed, this isn't a scientific survey. I'm not professional pollster. I appreciate your support in making this survey more scientific, but I won't put any more effort into the questions or their answers. I am, however, noting yout suggestions for when I choose to create another survey, in the future.
This is an amatuer's interest, and everyones participation is appreciated.
03-04-2003, 08:38 PM
Just wanted to thank everyone who has participated in the survey thus far. One more till 25 people have taken it, which is half what I had hoped... Which is good enough!
The survey will be open for as long as the service allows, but I won't nag anyone to take it, after the week is up - I've got other things to do!
The results, are quite interesting. Unfortunately, I've noticed how the last question isn't displayed in the results page. I found out that the results for multiple choice questions are only available after I log in. I'll see if I can export a datasheet from the service (something one might import in excel), so everyone can get the full results of the survey.
Take care all!! :-)
03-04-2003, 09:31 PM
I understand your point of view, but if you're not prepared to spend the time making the questionnaire methodologically neutral, then the data you get from the survey is meaningless. You may as well have invented the figures off the top of your head.
03-04-2003, 10:42 PM
What it means to me, is an insight about the coding community that wasn't available before, which I can now incorporate into my coding practices. It means nothing to you, because of how you've analyzed it, but not because it means nothing in and of itself. Everyone is encouraged to asses the information for themseleves, and I'm glad you have taken an interest in doing so. Ofcourse, if you interpret the information as useless, then it's useless to you.
Regarding the survey questions and method (a distinction, I don't understand fully), they work fine for me. I think I think I shot for the moon with this survey, and it's inspired a lot of you to have me shoot for the stars. I've been truly flattered by yours (and others) encouragement, but the moon will do for now.
The results have excited me greatly, and the level of participation and interest is very fulfilling. I look forward to producing a better survey in the future, and participating in any you invite people to complete.
03-04-2003, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by rawsweets
What it means to me, is an insight about the coding community that wasn't available before
Well ... look I don't want to sound pedantic here; by all means do it how it seems right to you, and treat the results how you want.
That was my point really; you may as well invent the figures off the top of your head, because the amount of meaningful information in your data is negligible. I only mention it because I don't want you to be misguided by (potentially) misleading statistics.
I'm not picking on you specifically; the vast majority of online polling is meaningless for exactly these reasons (I'm talking about things like Bravenet polls, as opposed to the online polling done by professional research agencies, which is a different thing)
I can provide links about survey methodology if you're interested.
03-04-2003, 11:53 PM
You have an opinion about surveys that has nothing to do with my survey. Since I'm talking about my survey, I can't address your issues. I do hope you completed it, despite your opinions and thanks for your participation.
I also recognize your commitment to better survey practices, and welcome any links to such information and resources.
03-04-2003, 11:57 PM
I agree with brothercake. All you have are results. Results are meaningless without control, regardless of what insight you think it gives you.
If I asked everybody my office "What's your favorite color" and only allowed them to choose between red and yellow, I really wouldn't have an idea of what the office favorite is. I would know what the office preference is between red and yellow, that's it. Or would I even know that? Maybe since some couldn't pick their true favorite they selected an answer by random.
Anyhow, like bcake said, your survey, your data, your results. Do what you will with them :D
03-05-2003, 12:22 AM
The number of participants for my survey is now at 28! (Just this morning, I was praying for 25!) I really appreciate everyone's participation!
By the end of the week, or when the number hits 50, I'll post a CVS data file of the results (the poll-service has an excellent export wizard). If I can't post files here, I'll use my Yahoo account, or make it available otherwise, to everyone interested.
Boy, this poll stuff has taken up a lot of my time. Gotta get back to work! Happy coding! :-)
03-05-2003, 06:24 PM
At 33 for today. Aren't there more females who can take this survey? Only four so far...
03-05-2003, 06:34 PM
I can take it again and be a female, if you like :p
03-05-2003, 06:48 PM
People tell me I'm in touch with my feminine side, so maybe I should have selected female?
03-05-2003, 08:08 PM
Gentlemen, select the choice which is most accurate.
03-05-2003, 08:31 PM
Seriously, 4 out of 33 (~12%) is what I'd expect for the female demographic, here.
03-05-2003, 10:35 PM
Honestly, I only think of men when it comes to coding... Hmm, maybe I'd better rephrase that!
Honestly, I only included the gender question because that's what surveys usually ask of you. Otherwise, the author's gender isn't important to me. Code is code is code is code.
There that's better. :-)
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