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Deacon Frost
09-02-2008, 07:22 AM
http://ogry.net/2008/09/01/google-chrome/

That's an article I wrote on the newest browser to be released by Google. It shows some serious promise with some great ideas.

discuss.

tagnu
09-02-2008, 11:29 AM
what are they talking about 'vista' ??
http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/images/27.jpg

"vista uses a modified version of biba...."

jkd
09-02-2008, 12:36 PM
They are just comparing/contrasting security models.

I was pretty excited about a new rendering engine, but it just uses Webkit. The new javascript engine should be interesting though, and I'm anxious to see how it compares to the new stuff both Mozilla and Apple are pumping out.

tagnu
09-02-2008, 01:01 PM
What time are they releasing :( ?

BabyJack
09-02-2008, 04:33 PM
BETA is today.

jcdevelopment
09-02-2008, 04:50 PM
Im guessing they will release it about 9 their time(CAL)..... hopefully!!!!

I cant wait.. will this beat out FF download record?

tagnu
09-02-2008, 05:00 PM
Here you go, screenshot (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10030025-2.html)!!

It's all blue! Hope, there's a way to change the theme :)

BabyJack
09-02-2008, 05:02 PM
Thanks!

Millenia
09-02-2008, 05:28 PM
It's Open Source. Microsoft really aren't going to be happy about that...

Good.

BabyJack
09-02-2008, 06:00 PM
Ha! :)

liorean
09-02-2008, 06:22 PM
tagnu: They're having a press conference at 18:00 UTC from what I've been able to find out. Count where that will be in your timezone yourself.

jcdevelopment
09-02-2008, 08:06 PM
It's Open Source. Microsoft really aren't going to be happy about that...

Good.

I love it when google socks it to Microsoft... It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Hey maybe Microsoft will create a browser that works... one can only dream :rolleyes:

liorean
09-02-2008, 08:18 PM
Press conference about it can be found streaming from http://google.client.shareholder.com/Visitors/event/build2/MediaPresentation.cfm?MediaID=33101&Player=1# right now.

Millenia
09-02-2008, 08:23 PM
I love it when google socks it to Microsoft... It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Hey maybe Microsoft will create a browser that works... one can only dream :rolleyes:

Even if they did create a browser that was slightly good, which would be done by accident anyway, I would refuse to use it.

I hate Microsoft as a company. You know I respected them when I saw the history of them, but lost it all when I saw their 'business strategy'. Complete selfishness, is there really a need to eliminate all other competitors? They're still annoyingly going to dominate the market for a long time. It's complete selfishness.


The company received its 5,000th patent from the US Patent and Trademark Office in March 2006, and is currently approaching the 10,000 mark."
Microsoft Patents "Pg up" and "Pg down" (http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/31/2224217)

There's the patents, the websites that bend the truth:

Click here for severe annoyance, and to see how Windows is so much awesomer than any other OS (http://www.getthefacts.com)

I'm going to stop there...

[/rant]

Anyway...The word Windows usually gets me angry.

That browser looks good, but it seems really minimal from those screenshots.


Press conference about it can be found streaming from http://google.client.shareholder.com/Visitors/event/build2/MediaPresentation.cfm?MediaID=33101&Player=1# right now.

I hope Microsoft are watching that, I can only imagine their faces :)

Damn, I can't watch that...Don't have the plugins...I mean come on, making an open source browser, and you don't expect people with Linux to watch it?

And by the way, another edit, theres an article about what Mozilla think of Google Chrome here:

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/02/1637216&from=rss (http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/02/1637216&from=rss)

Deacon Frost
09-02-2008, 11:45 PM
Google Chrome is out!


http://google.com/chrome

I like it quite a bit. A few features lacking, but it's what I'm on now. The JS engine is pretty cool, incognito, saved passwords and names... It's pretty sweet.

Go forth and download!

flynch01
09-03-2008, 01:30 AM
Actually it's really nice. I'm thinking of switching to it. Infact I'm using it right now.

I only have a few quarrels with it. It's based on the same kit so I'm not surprised, but like safari it highlights the field you're in. (Forms wise). And that annoys the hell out of me because I like to have my own form styles (I'm going to go and see if editing the :active or :focus (can't remember what it was) style can stop it. The other thing that's quite annoying is that the password saving thing doesn't seem to work for every site. it didn't ask me if I wanted to save my password for this site.

Anyway, overall it's dead nice. Simple, and... although every browser claims to be fast, I tried my best to compare to firefox and it does seem (obviously marginally) much faster.

liorean
09-03-2008, 02:01 AM
I ran the recently developed high performance scripting engine browsers through the SunSpider JavaScript benchmark. Have a look: http://web-graphics.com/2008/09/02/scripting-engines-just-got-a-whole-lot-faster/

flynch01
09-03-2008, 02:44 AM
I ran the recently developed high performance scripting engine browsers through the SunSpider JavaScript benchmark. Have a look: http://web-graphics.com/2008/09/02/scripting-engines-just-got-a-whole-lot-faster/

Interesting!

jkd
09-03-2008, 03:08 AM
I ran the recently developed high performance scripting engine browsers through the SunSpider JavaScript benchmark. Have a look: http://web-graphics.com/2008/09/02/scripting-engines-just-got-a-whole-lot-faster/

I've been looking all over for something like that! Nice work. That missing test for Tracemonkey -- does it generally take < 500ms on the other browsers? Coincidentally, I read a neat article today about doing grid computing via Javascript and XMLHttpRequest()... these new engines are really tempting me to give it a go.

liorean
09-03-2008, 03:41 AM
I've been looking all over for something like that! Nice work. That missing test for Tracemonkey -- does it generally take < 500ms on the other browsers? Coincidentally, I read a neat article today about doing grid computing via Javascript and XMLHttpRequest()... these new engines are really tempting me to give it a go.Well, if you click the time for each browser you get to the results page for that run of SunSpider. Then you can see that test yourself. In SpiderMonkey, the result is
date: 273.2ms +/- 2.2%
format-tofte: 161.8ms +/- 1.5%
format-xparb: 111.4ms +/- 3.8%And in TraceMonkey it is
date: NaNms +/- NaN%
format-tofte: NaNms +/- NaN%
format-xparb: 112.0ms +/- 1.4%I expect it to be as fast or faster than SpiderMonkey when they've fixed the bug.

liorean
09-03-2008, 05:25 AM
Fantastically enough, Brendan fixed that bug a few hours ago. I've updated my blog post with the new - complete - results from a build that is hot from the oven, so to speak. I also threw in the results of running an ActionMonkey build for better coverage all over.

tagnu
09-03-2008, 09:36 AM
No ad blocker :p

ps: 1st post using chrome.

NancyJ
09-03-2008, 09:49 AM
Gave it a try last night, I wasn't impressed, too much js just doesn't work in it - facebook was practically unusable and that was what I wanted to use it for, I'm playing DnD Tiny Adventures and in FF3 its a real memory hog.

But the idea that this is going to have any impact on microsoft is naive, people don't use IE because its good, they use it because its there. Until they can force microsoft to ship its OS with alternate browsers, they'll always have the majority market share. The best google can hope for at the moment is to destroy Firefox and Opera.

flynch01
09-03-2008, 12:56 PM
That's a shame. Tell you what though. It's getting worse and worse for me. They said no memory bloating. After 30 minutes or so of browsing (and after closing all the tabs) the main Chrome browser was at 70k. According to the comic each time you close a tab the memory is thrown out. So why does that happen?

Another thing that took me a bit to realise, but absolutely annoyed the hell out of me. When I have really long pages to read, I like to middle click, and scroll slowly down. Chrome doesn't actually have that, I mean. That's a really important feature in my opinion. Why isn't something so basic included.

But, after downloading it lead me to Gears. I've been messing with the SQLite mod in gears and I really like the idea. Will have to mess about with it some more :D

liorean
09-03-2008, 02:35 PM
Another thing that took me a bit to realise, but absolutely annoyed the hell out of me. When I have really long pages to read, I like to middle click, and scroll slowly down. Chrome doesn't actually have that, I mean. That's a really important feature in my opinion. Why isn't something so basic included.Personally, that feature gets me so irritated! Because I never want to use it, I just happen to trigger it! It prevents me from using the middle mouse button from what it's really for - opening links in new tabs - and also stops some mouse gestures from working in Ff. Luckily it can usually be turned off, even if you have to do it both in the browser and in the Logitech drivers if you are using a Logitech mouse.


But now, this is a 0.2 beta release of a browser. Don't you think features like this will be added in due time, when the team has has time to actually address the slew of issues that must be getting raised about the browser at the moment?

flynch01
09-03-2008, 02:52 PM
Personally, that feature gets me so irritated! Because I never want to use it, I just happen to trigger it! It prevents me from using the middle mouse button from what it's really for - opening links in new tabs - and also stops some mouse gestures from working in Ff. Luckily it can usually be turned off, even if you have to do it both in the browser and in the Logitech drivers if you are using a Logitech mouse.


But now, this is a 0.2 beta release of a browser. Don't you think features like this will be added in due time, when the team has has time to actually address the slew of issues that must be getting raised about the browser at the moment?

Of course, but it's such a small feature. It seems to me one of those things you want to 'get out the way' to move onto the bigger things. Maybe it's just how I work, but I start by getting small stuff out the way then move upwards. Besides, more important to me is finding out about getting rid of the form highlights. Drives me nuts.

NancyJ
09-03-2008, 03:21 PM
Lol @ 70K my Firefox is currently sitting at 424k ;)

flynch01
09-03-2008, 03:52 PM
That's not my point. My firefox always gets to around 200. It's just the fact that this new browser is /meant/ to keep dropping unused data. Or as far as I can tell from the comic. But it just keeps rising, even after you close each tab the browser isn't dropping data.

Millenia
09-03-2008, 05:16 PM
Google Chrome is out!


http://google.com/chrome

I like it quite a bit. A few features lacking, but it's what I'm on now. The JS engine is pretty cool, incognito, saved passwords and names... It's pretty sweet.

Go forth and download!

Thanks, oh wait It's a Windows beta....
When it finally comes out for Linux I'm gonna get it ASAP. It looks really good.

ralph l mayo
09-03-2008, 05:52 PM
Some initial impressions after a few minutes usage:


Interestingly, it defaulted to Live Search, I guess because I had that set in a Windows pref somewhere.
Seems fast enough, but so does Opera, and Firefox since 3.0
It needs Linux support. It bombs out on install with Wine.
I hate the tab placement. It interferes with the language toolbar in XP in its non-annoying place at the top of the screen so I have to move it back down to the taskbar.
They need to figure out how to make their custom title bar conform to the native scheme. Those gnome-ish controls are ugly, the window title is on the wrong side of the screen, the icon isn't on the left, etc.
Whatever the conceptual benefit was supposed to be for moving the tabs, it wasn't really worth the side effects.
Same with the blue border: it's ugly. I know it'll all be skinnable but it should default to look like my other applications. (I have the same problem with some of Opera's design elements, to be fair, and with Safari on Windows)
It needs a better scheme for displaying tabs when you have a bunch open at the same time. First it collapses down to just show the favicon of each tab, if any, and then they go completely blank. Firefox adds scrolling and always shows some portion of the page title, Opera collapses to favicons but never goes blank, and provides a miniature view of the page on mouse-over.

edit:

It attempts to add its updater to the system startup list. Boo.
Middle-click scrolling doesn't work! argh

Millenia
09-03-2008, 06:54 PM
Google Chrome has already hit 3&#37; browser share.

Now that's loads considering the following factors:

It's been out 2 days.
It's only out as BETA for Windows.
I bet plenty of people don't know about it.

VIPStephan
09-03-2008, 06:59 PM
[Ö] like safari it highlights the field you're in. (Forms wise). And that annoys the hell out of me because I like to have my own form styles (I'm going to go and see if editing the :active or :focus (can't remember what it was) style can stop it.

Itís the outline style. outline: none; does the trick, might bear accessibility issues, though.

bcarl314
09-03-2008, 07:32 PM
A few questions on this (for anyone that cares to check)

First, they claim that this is based on the "Safari" code base, but I'm guessing that really means "KHTML" like Safari and Konqueror. Is that true?

Second, does it pass the ACID2 test?

Third, anyone know of a third party testing source that has this ready (i.e. browsercam.com???)

Fourth, when are they planning on Mac / Linux versions?

bcarl314
09-03-2008, 07:34 PM
Google Chrome has already hit 3% browser share.

Now that's loads considering the following factors:

It's been out 2 days.
It's only out as BETA for Windows.
I bet plenty of people don't know about it.

Yep, 3% isn't that hard when you can manipulate 65% + of all search traffic.

Actually, 3% seems low

http://www.google.com/search?q=web+browser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=qOw&q=chrome&btnG=Search

ralph l mayo
09-03-2008, 08:21 PM
First, they claim that this is based on the "Safari" code base, but I'm guessing that really means "KHTML" like Safari and Konqueror. Is that true?

Second, does it pass the ACID2 test?
It's based on WebKit, which is the new KHTML if I understand the situation correctly. Safari and Konqueror are both on WebKit now.

It passes ACID2, and gets 77/100 on ACID3.

Millenia
09-03-2008, 08:30 PM
Yep, 3% isn't that hard when you can manipulate 65% + of all search traffic.

Actually, 3% seems low

http://www.google.com/search?q=web+browser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=qOw&q=chrome&btnG=Search

You would have thought they would have stuck their site at the top...Jeez...

bcarl314
09-03-2008, 08:54 PM
Anybody notice the google ad on the second link? Who get's that money???

VIPStephan
09-04-2008, 02:14 AM
Google Chrome has already hit 3% browser share.

Now that's loads considering the following factors:

It's been out 2 days.
It's only out as BETA for Windows.
I bet plenty of people don't know about it.

Well, it was/is in the top evening news in German TV, i. e. featured in mainstream media at prime time. Thatís some pretty good advertising I would say.

DaKiD
09-12-2008, 04:38 PM
Very fast in my opinion....the TOS is the only thing that bothers me. It uses less space than firefox and loads code/pages 10x as fast.



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