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ionsurge
02-12-2003, 04:16 PM
I am looking for a hosting package, that offers a lot.

I have £500/month (~$750 USD) max spending limit.


Post up any sites that you can find. I need a very high bandwidth limit, and huge webspace. MUST support ASP, PHP.

I have looked at www.venturesonline.com and it is not good enough - so that is out the window.

So is: http://www.rackshack.net/english/xeon.asp (I may need more than 1tb/month)

Please note:

Currently we have had an average of 1500 unique hits per hour, and well over 800,000 hits over the last 12 days (haven't checked it since the 7th). We have used over 4GB worth of bandwidth also since February 1 2003.

Ionsurge will have huge image galleries, along with various programs for download. (So bandwidth and space is of great importance). No SSL needed.

Thanks,


Ionsurge Inc ™

redhead
02-12-2003, 04:25 PM
i suggest doing a search on http://webhosts.thelist.com... to see what you can find. hope you find one :thumbsup:


<edit> eee.... i see why you need a new one :eek: </edit>

ionsurge
02-12-2003, 04:30 PM
That is out the window too, nothing good enough there.

cg9com
02-12-2003, 04:39 PM
try dreamhost.com (http://www.dreamhost.com), i dont have time to compare your requests, but it may be ok.

ionsurge
02-12-2003, 04:44 PM
http://www.rackshack.net/english/xeon.asp succeeds that immensely.

justame
02-12-2003, 05:06 PM
ion...
"quote...various programs for download...endquote"
ummm just a what® kind of progs???

ionsurge
02-12-2003, 05:15 PM
From basic stuff, calculators, addressbooks, etc, to programs using advanced database management systems.

They range from a few meg in size to a few hundred. 220mb being the largest one.


Also shareware and freeware programs will be available.


Nothing illegal, or questionable.

ionsurge
02-12-2003, 06:53 PM
Okay, we have recieved a very nice offer from justame.

We are currently looking into other packages.

We'll keep you posted.


Ionsurge Inc™

bcarl314
02-13-2003, 01:49 PM
If you've got that kind of money, and need that much bandwidth, why not set up your own? I'm assuming your on a lan connection, check the specs on your connection and see if you can set up your own server.

ionsurge
02-13-2003, 02:03 PM
I havent got the experience, and the knowledge as to how to make and run a server, and apply legal factors either.

I have no idea as to where I should start, so that is why I am going for paid hosting, via dedicated servers.

So far I have been offered:

Dell machine:

Intel Xeon 2.0 GHz Processor
1 GB RD RAM
73 GB SCSI drive (selected by us, instead of 20 + 60GB IDE Drives)
RAID Controllers
300kb/s pipeline
Unlimited bandwidth

(+ a lot of other stuff that I can't remember off my head)

All comes to ~900 Canadian dollars, about £365, and $600 per month.

If anyone can find anything better, give me a shout.

zoobie
02-13-2003, 09:25 PM
www.webhostingtalk.com
www.hosting-reviews.com :D

ionsurge
02-14-2003, 10:40 AM
I looked at hosting-talk, and that has no site that has even slightly powerful enough servers there.


Looking at the other one now.

zoobie
02-15-2003, 08:37 AM
www.4webspace.com ?

What site is it you are hosting? Surely not that one in your profile...:D

relyt
02-15-2003, 09:03 AM
i would recommend rackchack.net thats what i use. fast and reliable.

ionsurge
02-15-2003, 11:04 AM
www.4webspace.com - out the window

What site is it you are hosting? Surely not that one in your profile...:D - why what is wrong with it? Anyhow, it may be redesigned completely finally once and for all.


@ Relyt - looked at it... that went out the window a few days ago.



Thanks for the suggestions so far guys... :)

krycek
02-15-2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by ionsurge
I havent got the experience, and the knowledge as to how to make and run a server, and apply legal factors either.

I have no idea as to where I should start, so that is why I am going for paid hosting, via dedicated servers.

So far I have been offered:

Dell machine:

Intel Xeon 2.0 GHz Processor
1 GB RD RAM
73 GB SCSI drive (selected by us, instead of 20 + 60GB IDE Drives)
RAID Controllers
300kb/s pipeline
Unlimited bandwidth

(+ a lot of other stuff that I can't remember off my head)

All comes to ~900 Canadian dollars, about £365, and $600 per month.

If anyone can find anything better, give me a shout.

...just to point out, 300kbps is VERY slow. Only 740Gb per month max transfer, in fact (there is no such thing as unlimited :)). Are you sure that figure is correct?

For instance, the specs I emailed you are for a 100MBit server, which is 12.5Mbps - i.e. 12,800kbps. That's 43 times faster than the one you mentioned, and will give a max of around 30Tb (31,640Gb) per month bandwidth. No way will you ever eat that much. :D

Cheers

::] krycek [::

zoobie
02-15-2003, 08:52 PM
I was thinking the figures were off a tad, too.

I didn't mean to imply your design/site was inferior or anything...quite the opposite. I just never really knew free sites were that popular. There's like half a million of 'em on the net.

Anyway, as you grow, you'll find yourself inundated with advertising offers and will probably end up changing your site design at least once a year.

Also, when you first list your site in search engines, they tend to give you a high ranking since it's new and fresh. Updating on a regular basis and optimizing will, hopefully, keep it this way.

I'm wondering about your huge image area. Believe it or not, there aren't any free images available as of January. Maybe a few small sites have popped up since...but all those 'royalty-free' sites still offer none for totally free. How would you get the photos unless you took them yourself professionally?

I'm thinking you could probably do this for a fraction of what you're projecting. :)

ionsurge
02-16-2003, 11:13 AM
I agree very much that if the site does get large, then well I may recieve offers for advertising. However, they will never be accepted, even if a truck load of money is offered.

We don't want to be like MSN and Yahoo, filling up our website with adverts, and having continuous pop ups. That is the reason behind Ionsurge, to provide a place where there is none of that.

Regarding the image gallery, well as a graphics designer I have around 12,000 images that I have created over the past few years, through all sorts of programs, ranging from Lightwave, 3D Studio Max, Maya, SoftImage, Bryce, and the all mighty Photoshop/Quark Xpress/Illustrator pack.


And they all will be free. As will the programs that involve a high level of coding also.

Regarding your comment Zoobie, about the free pictures, there are many many websites that offer free graphical images, deskmod, deviant art, wincustomize, digitalblasphemy, highend 3d, just to mention a few.


@Krycek, I'll check out the pipeline restrictions. But I did stress that I can reach up to a few tb's worth of bandwidth if the site gets very large, and the host justame provided said that did not matter, and there would be no additional charges involving bandwidth.

Mhtml
02-16-2003, 01:43 PM
http://www.hostsearch.com

ionsurge
02-16-2003, 01:54 PM
Tried it already...

krycek
02-17-2003, 12:34 AM
ionsurge - digital blasphemy is not all free - I should know, I am a subscriber :p

Anyway, as to the bandwidth, the connections I have quoted you for do not have limits except for the capacity of the pipe. So you will never have extra bandwidth charges. I did mention alternative such as a 1Tb/month limit, but as you insisted that you will use more than that, I have, as you know, since detailed some high capacity pipes.

My point was mainly that quoting 300kbps is ludicrous - no offence meant, but surely someon has got their figures wrong somewhere along the line? And the price for that is amazing... after all, I am quoting you a 10Mbps pipe (well actually, 100MBit which is 12.5Mbps) for a price within your specified budget.

Bottom line: you will not get a faster connection than 100MBit (because NIC cards are generally 100MBit tops) unless you invest in colocated servers or specialist (and hence expensive) hardware. Plus, even a dual 2.0 Xeon could not possibly handle a consistent demand of that capacity. If you ever need to shift MORE than 30-odd terabytes per month, you will need to play it differently and spend a lot more money.

OK basically I have many years of experience in all aspects of computing, and have run my own hosting business for over three years now. Pretty successful, too, to the point that I am in the midst of re-launching it and have bought some more servers. I can answer any questions you may have, and yes I would like your business - but to be perfectly honest, I am not going to bend over backwards to do it. Just make sure that you have all the facts and check everything out (all specs, contracts etc.) with someone you trust first (who hopefully knows about these things) or else you MAY get ripped off. My knowledge of justame is that he is a pretty decent chap, however I do get concerned when I see numbers like 300kbps quoted for your needs, and at that price. Heck, that's the same as 2MBit DSL! :p

::] krycek [::

firepages
02-17-2003, 12:55 AM
My knowledge of justame is that he is a pretty decent chap,

chapess not chap :)

justame
02-17-2003, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by krycek

Anyway, as to the bandwidth, the connections I have quoted you for do not have limits except for the capacity of the pipe.

thattts the case of /mes hoster thattt was just a talking® to ion...:O))) heee tooo hosts just a major® domains n' has alll this stuff /me knows nothing just a bout®...lol...other thannn hearing terms/words like OC12 backbone n' 30 BBBIIIGGGKB/sec...aka 30,000 n' /me seems to just a remember® 30KB of thruput??? lol...n' @ the sammme time??? he said that morrre thannn likely ion would easily get by with 40-50 kbytes per sec...

So you will never have extra bandwidth charges.

n' /me seems to remember tooo words like up to 'x' just a mount® n' thennn ya buy 'more' in just a increments® of 30KB @ $200/month...


My point was mainly that quoting 300kbps is ludicrous - no offence meant, but surely someon has got their figures wrong somewhere along the line?

yup.../me thinks that both /me n' ion have just a difficult® time with thosse kinda numbers/ratings/speed...lol...

after all I am quoting you a 10Mbps pipe (well actually, 100MBit which is 12.5Mbps) for a price within your specified budget.

n' /me just a seems® to think /mes hoster is like thattt tooo...


unless you invest in colocated servers or specialist (and hence expensive) hardware.
ummm yup...n' ifff thattt sommme biggger server was wanted/needed that ion would either being just a buying® it n' puttin' it on 'our' rack orrr ion would be just a responsible® forrr the lease fee/ 3 year commitment of just a bout® $200/month...


Just make sure that you have all the facts and check everything out (all specs, contracts etc.) with someone you trust first (who hopefully knows about these things) or else you MAY get ripped off.
/me certainly 'hopes' ya dont think /me would evvver do thattt...nottt just a mom® nor /mes host kinda thing...:O))) n' of 'course it would alll be 'listed/itemized' out for ion tooo look at n' knowww whattt hes just a paying® for...:O)))

My knowledge of justame is that he is a pretty decent chap
/me just a ttempts® to increase your knowledge of /me...
huggggs...:O))).../me likes to just a hugs® n' :O))) lots...:O)))

n' just a giggles® n' sends taaa hugs to fir...:O)))


however I do get concerned when I see numbers like 300kbps quoted for your needs, and at that price. Heck, that's the same as 2MBit DSL! :p

/me hears ya...n' /me thinks numbers were just a misunderstood®


n' just a whewwws® n' sooo glad /me didnt just a disconnect® from the ol' 28.8 dialup typppin'/replyin' to ya...hehehe...

zoobie
02-17-2003, 03:21 AM
Sorry...When I hear "images", I automatically think of photos since I've been shooting them since I was 7 and am a pro videographer/photographer.
http://geocities.com/zoobie007/tiger.txt

ionsurge
02-17-2003, 12:04 PM
Okay, this is all confusing to me right know, as I have no idea where to go... I am gonna talk to some affilliates, and find out some more about this from them.

KevinG
02-17-2003, 12:51 PM
hey ion i have a win2000 server hosted by netscalibur in telehouse, london - but they are mega expensive. recently i put out some feelers and was recommend a company called Altaire - http://www.altaire.com - apparently they are on the up and up and their service and prices have been highly recommended to me.

i'm probably going to move to them in the near future.

krycek
02-17-2003, 10:31 PM
hmmmm, well it seems that justame got a bit confused about the numbers, fair enough, but if you are selling something you should have good product knowledge! :rolleyes:

I find it hard deciphering justame's unique style of writing (lol) but I detected a lack of knowledge concerning basic networking.

What I said originally was 100% correct - I would suggest looking on google for some of the terms etc. if they are unfamiliar. Unlike what I *think* justame said, about bandwidth, there really are NO extra bandwidth charges if you pay for a certain pipe.

ionsurge, I can understand you getting confused, by all means talk to people about it, and don't hesitate to ask questions of me, because even if you have no interest in buying from me, I am still happy to help you out where I can.

Oh and justame? Sorry about the gender issue - I do not know you personally, as you know, and I have simply seen you around the forums, giving good advice. I assumed (wrongly!) for a number of reasons, that you were male
:rolleyes:

::] krycek [::

justame
02-17-2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by krycek
hmmmm, well it seems that justame got a bit confused about the numbers, fair enough, but if you are selling something you should have good product knowledge! :rolleyes:

kry...
just a whewwws® /me isnnnt selling it...lol.../me just a referred® ion to /mes hoster n' theyyy talked!!! /me didnt just a offer/quote® just a nything® to ion...the hoster called /me up just a fter® heee talked to ion n' thattts alll /me got out of it...lol...
/me diddd mention she doesnt just a know® 'bout this stuff n' doesnt pretend to either...:O))) 'cept she doesss put her just a bsolute® trust in the 'hoster' n' hisss understanding of the 'subject'...ummm hes just a 'networkadministrator'® for the county!!!

I find it hard deciphering justame's unique style of writing (lol) but I detected a lack of knowledge concerning basic networking.

ifin' ya got thattt much outta it??? youre not doing just a tooo® bad there kry...hehehe.../me does have just a major® lack of it!!!



ionsurge, I can understand you getting confused, by all means talk to people about it, and don't hesitate to ask questions of me, because even if you have no interest in buying from me, I am still happy to help you out where I can.

couldnt just a gree® more...lol...^5s...

Sorry about the gender issue
no just a pology® required there kry...tisnt the first time norrr willl it be the lastest...lol...tis just a thing® 'bout the net...ya just a nevvver® know unless you just a sk® n' thennn ya hope the person youre just a sking® isnt lying to ya...lol...


I have simply seen you around the forums, giving good advice.
/me just a blushes®...why thanx ya kry.../me tries to help where she can...:O)))

I assumed
ya should nevvver just a ssume®!!! n'whispers...
just a makes® the ol' adollarsigndollarsign outta U n' /me...hehehe...

krycek
02-18-2003, 01:45 PM
ah well, that clears that up then :) see, ionsurge told me that you had quoted, not that you had got your own host to quote lol :)

::] krycek [::



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