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Jeroentje
07-09-2008, 05:16 AM
http://www.jvanderlinde.net/jvanderlinde.net.jpg (http://www.jvanderlinde.net)

It's bin a while since i've updated my website. Yesterday i managed to put a twist towards it. I've integrated a forum also, which contain a few minor bugs, but it should be sufficient for now. Most of it it's valid, except for the contactpage, which has just unvalid-code, but sometimes you cant always keep upon the code.

I think it's pretty decent, and the too much orange, personally i like it. Any suggestions?

Millenia
07-09-2008, 03:59 PM
I like it too, it's nice and simple, and if I knew German fluently then I would tell you that your Navigation is easy to use. (Which I don't but it sure looks it). I'm sure you could replace the block color orange with a gradient or something, maybe a border around it like 1px. It's missing some images.
It validates! Finally a site review has a site that validates!

Jeroentje
07-09-2008, 05:54 PM
haha, thanks :)

Validation is important. Most people only care about validation on the first page(s) with dirty hacks. The language is'nt German, it's Dutch. Replacing the Orange, mweh i think about it :) For now it's good.

Apostropartheid
07-09-2008, 05:59 PM
Orange and grey simply don't match, and the clash is terrible.
I can, however, manage you pulling it off if you switch the grey to black. I'm personally quite fond of orange, too (which you'd see quite glaringly if you read my blog.)

Also, where's your footer? The site looks incomplete without it (and that's not just me--why do you think Google implemented it? They have no real reason to do so, but they found their users kept thinking all the content hadn't loaded yet. And Google's pretty thorough.)

Jeroentje
07-09-2008, 09:01 PM
Your right.

Google's PR depends on a footer too. I might experiment a little with the bordercolor, i think grey really looks cool, but that's just mine opinion vs yours. I might do something with it these days. Thanks for the feedback.

gnomeontherun
07-10-2008, 08:37 PM
I can read German, and this is definitely not Deutsch but Dutch! Ok I think you have a good foundation which would be fairly nice with a little spice.

I think the colors are alright, but they need some careful adjustments. This particular gray looks poorly contrasted with the orange, and the orange seems overwhelmingly like a 100px border. I would make the whole page orange, or give the orange some softer gradient or a overlay design. The more I look at it, the more I agree with Cyan, the gray is awkward with the orange. You have a bright color which is dampened by the dismal gray, perhaps use a hue of another color but it could be a bit grayed too? I think also the black and orange makes me think of Halloween, maybe you don't celebrate it like the crazy Americans, but I think it gives a little bit of a negative impression.

Your branding at the top of the page is far too basic. Spice up your header with a logo, and keep it clean!

I don't know who your targeted clients are, but an adult site might be a bit much. From the American perspective, you wouldn't do that ever. From a European perspective, its not so much of a big deal. Culture...crazy.

Millenia
07-10-2008, 08:50 PM
I can read German, and this is definitely not Deutsch but Dutch!Luckily I know a a bit of German. That could have resulted in confusion!

Oh by the way, I noticed your footer is incomplete...


© Jvanderlinde.net - Put something here!

Jeroentje
07-10-2008, 10:57 PM
The Adult-site?

It's a part of what i've done. You dont see any erotic nude content, there's a warning with 18+ material. About the colors, yes i agree, and yes i will need to look for the perfect color. About the header, i never really did anything else then my name and what i do :D

ShaneC
07-10-2008, 11:05 PM
I definetly think you are getting some quality feedback from those above and it is a good site.

My only criticism is that it seems to lack a bit of 'pizazz.' Maybe some fancy JavaScript to load your portfolio websites in a div layer on top of the page (as seems popular). If you implement a forward back backward arrow to that it will allow the user some easier navigation.

On the whole, though, good work! It's refreshing to see a page validate.

Jeroentje
07-10-2008, 11:09 PM
Thanks guys. :) Appreciate it !!

There's only 1 problem with Iframe'ing the forum. There is no code except for javascript, to make the height dynamic. That means i'm using a iframe that is fixed at 1100PX long. If the forum is bigger then 1100PX it will 'grow' under it, and you cannot scroll it. I can add a scrollbar but they will waste the layout, even tho it's not extending 1100px.

gnomeontherun
07-10-2008, 11:59 PM
The Adult-site?

It's a part of what i've done. You dont see any erotic nude content, there's a warning with 18+ material.

I was wanting to point it out as the culture I grew up in, America, does not look kindly upon adult content (even though the media is all about sex...). On a professional level though, its your call based on your expectations of your clients. I would not dream of putting a site which has an edgy apperance if I was targeting professionals in America, its a culture thing as I said. It might work for you though, and that is up to you. I put it out there as my opinion on the matter!

Jeroentje
07-11-2008, 12:24 AM
I was wanting to point it out as the culture I grew up in, America, does not look kindly upon adult content (even though the media is all about sex...). On a professional level though, its your call based on your expectations of your clients. I would not dream of putting a site which has an edgy apperance if I was targeting professionals in America, its a culture thing as I said. It might work for you though, and that is up to you. I put it out there as my opinion on the matter!

I agree, but i think this is an culture-difference wether to place it or not. Sex is almost integrated on the internet, so why not have a site that was made by me placed on my portfolio, that gives an impression of adult-stuff?

I have a couple of porn-sites, no doubt, and you will not see those on my portfolio neither. That website you reffering to is a legit company here in holland putting out a legit business, so why should i not post that on my portfolio? Cause it is shocking? Thats nonsense :thumbsup: You dont see any sexual content going around on there, except for a video thats bin hidden deep, but dont look ackwark when visiting a website that does callgirls.

Apostropartheid
07-11-2008, 07:54 PM
I have a couple of porn-sites, no doubt, and you will not see those on my portfolio neither. That website you reffering to is a legit company here in holland putting out a legit business, so why should i not post that on my portfolio? Cause it is shocking? Thats nonsense :thumbsup: You dont see any sexual content going around on there, except for a video thats bin hidden deep, but dont look ackwark when visiting a website that does callgirls.

For starters, it's sort of unprofessional and sends out a very wrong message. Someone intending to hire you probably won't take kindly to seeing a fully naked woman. Well, actually, they might--but not in the way you've put it in there as that's intended to be more erotic than tasteful. In Western media, nudity is frowned upon, and I know I wouldn't hire you upon seeing that, front a purely professional standpoint.

gnomeontherun
07-11-2008, 08:30 PM
I agree, but i think this is an culture-difference wether to place it or not. Sex is almost integrated on the internet, so why not have a site that was made by me placed on my portfolio, that gives an impression of adult-stuff?

I have a couple of porn-sites, no doubt, and you will not see those on my portfolio neither. That website you reffering to is a legit company here in holland putting out a legit business, so why should i not post that on my portfolio? Cause it is shocking? Thats nonsense :thumbsup: You dont see any sexual content going around on there, except for a video thats bin hidden deep, but dont look ackwark when visiting a website that does callgirls.

Like Cyan said, its frowned upon in Western culture particularly in the professional realm. I am an American, which makes it beyond taboo to put anything risqué on my portfolio. If I want clients in America, it would be freelance suicide. I'm even talking about putting a scantaly clad woman on a site is risky. Its cultural stuff, but its still illegal to show nudity on regular media, unlike in Europe. I'm just saying this from the perspective of American professionalism. I am not saying you can't do it, but there are obvious risks to it when attempting to get new clients unless you are targeting that audience.

binaryWeapon
07-11-2008, 11:51 PM
Design: IMO looks great.
- I personally would make the orange color the complete background color, without the light gray part

Technical:
- Good job on the validation, nice coding styles

Not much to add on the whole adult content issue, except to reconfirm what Cyan and Jeremy have been saying. Its not good for business in the Western world to have suggestive (or worse) content on one's site.

Jeroentje
07-12-2008, 12:46 AM
Well the reason why i let people judge my website in here is because the majority is mostly an experienced bunch of coders together. I don't mind, someone being scared off of some nudity for a client that i made a website off. Most of my clients are europeans / dutch only, so i woud'nt be a big problem to have an erotic site, on my portfolio. It's still a legit business and there are other websites out there that share complete nudity-pics and all on their website. Something with that i don't agree with either, a website is a businesscard and should be like that, not for profits on sharing erotic content.

I got some dance fests this weekend coming along so i won't be looking much towards my website. Thx for the feedback and i will do something with it. Appreciate it ;)

Apostropartheid
07-12-2008, 06:46 PM
Well the reason why i let people judge my website in here is because the majority is mostly an experienced bunch of coders together. I don't mind, someone being scared off of some nudity for a client that i made a website off.
You should, seeing as these people are potentional clients who would pay you even more if you hadn't shown it. Isn't that simple economics?

Most of my clients are europeans / dutch only, so i woud'nt be a big problem to have an erotic site, on my portfolio.
Yeah it would. The Daily Mail would be in outcry. It's still frowned upon in Europe, especially the more west you go. My family wouldn't pay you, my friends probably wouldn't pay you bar one, my extended family, including those in France and Spain, wouldn't either. Can you imagine the head of TfL (http://tfl.gov.uk/) employing you after seeing you designing sites with naked women in them? Naaaaah.

Jeroentje
07-13-2008, 08:27 PM
For whatever reason why you and your family / friends (proberly a principal reason for having 'adult females' on a website that i wrote) is not of my concern wether you are looking for someone to design you something or not.

There are more people who really don't care what i've done as long as the job is being done. Same as the profession those ladys carry out, they do it, and they don't care what majority tells them likewise. All types of job needs to be done, wether that is removing poop from someon's toilet thats stuck or helping someone out that is dirty and cannot wash himself for medical reasons. It's not that i actually don't sleep because of having such an site on my portfolio. They pay me good and that's what its all about right?

binaryWeapon
07-13-2008, 08:38 PM
I, and I think all of us, am/are not trying to say anything about our personal opinions. Simply stating that, in the Western world, it is considered taboo. In essence, its not our personal opinion that you maybe should be concerned about. It is the opinion of the Western World. Take it or leave it, but, believe me, Western customers do not take lightly nudity or the likes.

For whatever reason why you and your family / friends (proberly a principal reason for having 'adult females' on a website that i wrote) is not of my concern wether you are looking for someone to design you something or not. That's what we're trying to say, it is of concern, to Westerners. Call us prejudiced, biased, whatever, but it will actually put customers off once they see you connected with that kind of work. You ask, why would they care? Well, let's say a non-profit charity is thinking about contracting you to make a site for them. Then they see the "adult site". If they hire you, that will connect them with that site (they would be customers of the same company). That could put off customers for them. So they don't hire you. Its basically all about the Western attitude towards that type of stuff.

So, basically, it WILL put (some western) customers off, even though they "shouldn't care", chances are, they will.

Jeroentje
07-13-2008, 09:33 PM
I do a website for them. It's not like i actually selling my but for sex or whatever. We live in the year 2008, where gay-partys seems to be normal and all that kind, and why shoud'nt the oldest job on the planet be a legit business and / or accepted in the western society?

Dont get me wrong, and i think anyone looking for a webdesigner shoud'nt be offended in any matter for having that site on my portfolio. I rather have someone who respects the work i did for others instead of someone fearing to be asociated with a website. Thats imo more crazyer then a website and / or job can be...

gnomeontherun
07-14-2008, 02:43 PM
Why shoud'nt the oldest job on the planet be a legit business and / or accepted in the western society?

Dont get me wrong, and i think anyone looking for a webdesigner shoud'nt be offended in any matter for having that site on my portfolio. I rather have someone who respects the work i did for others instead of someone fearing to be asociated with a website. Thats imo more crazyer then a website and / or job can be...

This is not about our opinions or your opinions about the acceptance of sexuality in modern society. The fact is that most of the western culture frowns upon it, which means your CLIENTS are likely to frown upon you. This has nothing to do with us as coders, but us as professional web design/developers who know how our clients work.

As I said at the very start, you can leave it there and only get clients who don't have a problem with that. I personally just believe that is unwise when you could turn away large clients (who are more likely to turn away because of not wanting the public to think they hired someone connected with a porn site).

Jeroentje
07-14-2008, 05:14 PM
(who are more likely to turn away because of not wanting the public to think they hired someone connected with a porn site).

If someone would be thinking this while browsing my portfolio i rather don't have him as a client anyways. It's IMO stupid to think like that. Oh this guy has an escortwebsite! Like anyone cares. Like anyone is not supposed to deliver work, for a legit business. I never said it was a pornsite anyway.

oracleguy
07-14-2008, 05:59 PM
I kinda have to side with Jeroentje on this one. Assuming the website is legit, there is nothing wrong with that. Those websites need web developers just as much as anyone else.

If I was looking to hire someone the fact that they did an adult site wouldn't matter. You can't bury your head in the sand and pretend that there aren't those websites out there and that they don't need to hire developers from time to time.

Jeroentje
07-14-2008, 06:27 PM
Thanks Oracleguy. I almost felth like i was the only european in here with a different side of view based opun what's on my portfolio. I can give a few more examples if you want. I'm not the only one having a nudity site on my portfolio. Some people just put complete pornsites. And so what, i know someone who makes 6k a month out of pornsites. Would you guys still hang out with someone like that even tho he's asociated with pornsites? Get a life.

Apostropartheid
07-14-2008, 07:25 PM
Get a life.
Insulting people isn't called for. Jesus, man, we're trying to help you as professionals; I doubt anyone here judges you because you designed it, but are giving advice which you should heed, seeing as there are quite a few people advising you against it.

Seriously, don't bother asking for help if you're going to stab us in the back. It's not worth our time nor effort.

We're people, you know. I would suggest you take some time to realize that.

I think I'm done here.

Jeroentje
07-14-2008, 07:36 PM
It's not worth our time nor effort.

I'm sorry but 'hiding' websites that a big amount of people in here dislike, is'nt either my time worth doing so. It's a legit business, a legit website, there's being proper advertised with it and the stats dont lie, avg 3 to 4000 unique visitors a month and dont tell me they all come to see the nudity thats on there and be shocked about it. I'm rather wasting my time also by supplying arguments on why that site is on my portfolio while most of the points i gave, are obvious.

binaryWeapon
07-14-2008, 08:20 PM
Cyans point is that if you're not going to take professional advice, then, erm, why did you want a review? Isn't the point of a review...getting professional advice? The majority of people here advised you not to have a porn-related site in your portfolio, and you just ignored us. I guess this thread is pretty much done, since we're just trying to convince you of one thing, and you won't do it, so there's nothing else to be accomplished.

Jeroentje
07-14-2008, 08:54 PM
Yeah that's right. Quickly delete your msg man. There is'nt a pornsite.

Apostropartheid
07-14-2008, 09:09 PM
Can someone lock this thread, please? It's no longer serving its purpose and is descending into something no one particularly likes.

Jeroentje
07-14-2008, 09:18 PM
The particulary I did'nt start, which 70% of the posters in here came out about. There's no pornsite, it's a legit job, website, and someone needs todo the job. After there's no discussion left on proberly picking on that site, you come in here and request a lock on the thread. Thanks for ruining the thread anyways. I'll remember this to be such critical on the next site review on one of yours, hmmm?

Apostropartheid
07-14-2008, 09:28 PM
Yes, I do. You received feedback on your design, too. The thread has run its course into something this forum was not intended to host, out of criticism into what borders on flaming and rudeness.

And I would expect criticism in a site review. What you're saying is what is pretty close to a petty threat.

binaryWeapon
07-14-2008, 09:45 PM
[...]porn-related[...] I said porn-related. Forgive me for not knowing german (or dutch or whatever language it is), so I can't tell the exact nature of the site, but you said yourself that there was porn-video on that site. Not to mention the pictures of a naked women. I believe that qualifies it as porn related?

This thing definitely needs to be closed. Its gone from a site review, to a discussion about Western culture in regards to sex, to almost an all-out flame-war. I don't think anything constructive is going to happen in this thread anymore.

gnomeontherun
07-15-2008, 01:26 AM
As the first person to point it out, I would like to point to my original review. I gave a lot of info about colors and design. Its clear that you are fine with having a site with a less-than-dressed woman, and you expect your clients to also be fine with it. That the end of that. The point has been made, what you use for your portfolio tells alot about you and it is often what clients use to make their decisions.

oracleguy
07-15-2008, 05:13 AM
The particulary I did'nt start, which 70% of the posters in here came out about. There's no pornsite, it's a legit job, website, and someone needs todo the job. After there's no discussion left on proberly picking on that site, you come in here and request a lock on the thread. Thanks for ruining the thread anyways. I'll remember this to be such critical on the next site review on one of yours, hmmm?

I might have agreed with some of your reasons but don't get into a pissing contest with the other members. Their advice is just as valid and (at least on here) need to respect it even if you don't agree.

logictrap
07-17-2008, 05:24 PM
The appropriateness of the adult content should be weighed based on who you want as customers.

If you want customers interested in developing adult sites they would probably like to see that you have done other adult sites.

If you are trying to get customers that are interested in developing children's websites then the adult content is probably unwelcome.

If you are familiar with your market trust your own judgment.

Jeroentje
07-17-2008, 06:00 PM
If you are familiar with your market trust your own judgment.

I do, sir.



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