which is better dedicated server or set up own server

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Just wanted to how much it will cost , if company has to set up server at their place .

I think the problem will be with the upload speed and internet quota . don't know how much will that cost.

or Getting dedicated server is better

[Fou-Lu]

There are too many factors involved to give you a precise recommendation. You need to analyze the situation and determine things like redundancy, disaster recovery and prevention plans, system administration, available connection speeds (T3 vs DSL for example), backups, etc. The ones I would focus on are disaster recovery and backups, then work up from there. If I had it my way, everything would be inhouse with fiber switches to our lovely network area storage, daily d2d2t backups with replicated inhouse and offsite storage, replica servers, multiple ISP connections for redundancy, and so forth. But that is rarely feasible unless you are working in a multi-million gross corporation. Frankly, the lowest priority on my list would be connection speeds; having a 128k connection with redundancy and drp with appropriate backups is IMO better than a T3 or vdsl with no redundancy or backups. That would be one slow *** network, but at least I know if anything goes horribly wrong provisions have been placed to handle such a situation.

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I think you are right

I thnk if i go for 2-3 dedicated server , then it will also be ok.
I am thinking of using mysql relication and cluster , so i need more than 2 dedicated computers to do that . I was thinking of eunning own server but thats too costly

Roughly dedicated server is around $250 per month, so even if i use three dedicated servers
my compnay won't mind . they have $120,000 sales per week

I don't know he hard it will be for me to set up that

[oracleguy]

You are probably looking at around 15k up front costs (as a starting point) to setup your own fault tolerant server cluster. Even more if you need to build a server room for it. But you could easily spend 4 times that on server hardware and a backup system. Depends how much storage you need and how much redundancy you want.

[Fou-Lu]

Thats right. I was going to post back last night mentioning how I hoped OracleGuy would make a post about where he works(worked?). I remember you mentioned some of the hardware used there, and I was like 'K into my basement you go :D'.
If you go with onsite, remember that the redundancy and backups are key priority. If you get resistance from you're bosses, make sure you point out the soft costs that they are missing. Mention that they should weigh out the differential - 20k for servers having only the job to backup the other servers seems like a wasted cost. But, maybe ask which is more expensive - 20k and full redundancy and backup for 99+% uptime, or 5 weeks (at 120k/week - this is important to note) downtime while awaiting new hardware and repairs. This doesn't include 5 weeks of wages paid to employees at 30-50% productivity and loss of business. You will be quite surprised how discussing financial loss can impact on a discussion with a ceo of a company.

[oracleguy]

Thats right. I was going to post back last night mentioning how I hoped OracleGuy would make a post about where he works(worked?). I remember you mentioned some of the hardware used there, and I was like 'K into my basement you go :D'.
If you go with onsite, remember that the redundancy and backups are key priority. If you get resistance from you're bosses, make sure you point out the soft costs that they are missing. Mention that they should weigh out the differential - 20k for servers having only the job to backup the other servers seems like a wasted cost. But, maybe ask which is more expensive - 20k and full redundancy and backup for 99+% uptime, or 5 weeks (at 120k/week - this is important to note) downtime while awaiting new hardware and repairs. This doesn't include 5 weeks of wages paid to employees at 30-50% productivity and loss of business. You will be quite surprised how discussing financial loss can impact on a discussion with a ceo of a company.
And you need redundancy in the building services too, like your server room will likely require A/C depending on where you are located and how much hardware you put in it and the size of the room. So you'll need a secondary A/C unit as well in case the first one fails. Otherwise you'd have to shut down all your stuff because it'd overheat if the first A/C unit fails.

The servers will have redundant power supplies, so you need to plug them into a separate circuit than the primary. And if you want to go crazy, a separate UPS too. (Depending where in the line you put your UPS).

If you are going to have generator backup for your data center, you have to make sure you can change the oil in the generator while it is running or be able to switch to batteries long enough to do the change. Also you have to make sure the fuel doesn't go stale in the tanks.

Basically I could go all day about the things you have to consider when you want a high availability data center.

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OMG! i really wonder how much is there to do.

I think all the A/c , power back and data center thing will be taken care by our hosting provider.

CUrrenlty we are on shred hosting (75$ per month and 5GB space)

I think thats way less than what i am planning . Actually i am the only IT person the company so they do whatever i say. I don't think money can be problem for them . If can provide the advantages of having dedicated servers with repsect to loss they suffer. then they can spend as much money as they want .

Sorry for going little off topic but Just need some suggestion from you guys. I have been here for 9 months .
I didn't had any previous experience . The previous programmer they hired has its own small web design company. he was working at 66$ per hour.

Now they offered me A$40,000 per year . I accepted that ,as i had no other option. Previous programmer does not had much knowledge as there were so many loop holes in the codes he coded. I am fixing all that. Now my job include

1)Make new scripts PHP , javascript , AJAX , new looks to website
2)Maintain database(have to convert simple sql statements to tranactions)
3) Now some shell scripting as My hosting provider was charging 100$ per hour so i thought i will do myself)
4) Now i have to do that replication and clustering
5)Fix the customers computer problems as well if they call

As company don't have IT knowledge they don't know the work i am doing is simple or complex.


I need your help . How should i ask them for salary rise . As A$40,000 is very less(I think). my friend is working in Govt comapny . Just maintains small site and he is getting 50,000$. I am totally confused what should i do. What should be the salary for the work like this

[nikos101]

And you need redundancy in the building services too, like your server room will likely require A/C depending on where you are located and how much hardware you put in it and the size of the room. So you'll need a secondary A/C unit as well in case the first one fails. Otherwise you'd have to shut down all your stuff because it'd overheat if the first A/C unit fails.

The servers will have redundant power supplies, so you need to plug them into a separate circuit than the primary. And if you want to go crazy, a separate UPS too. (Depending where in the line you put your UPS).

If you are going to have generator backup for your data center, you have to make sure you can change the oil in the generator while it is running or be able to switch to batteries long enough to do the change. Also you have to make sure the fuel doesn't go stale in the tanks.

Basically I could go all day about the things you have to consider when you want a high availability data center.

That was some really cool info you shared there

OMG! i really wonder how much is there to do.

I think all the A/c , power back and data center thing will be taken care by our hosting provider.

CUrrenlty we are on shred hosting (75$ per month and 5GB space)I think thats way less than what i am planning . Actually i am the only IT person the company so they do whatever i say. I don't think money can be problem for them . If can provide the advantages of having dedicated servers with repsect to loss they suffer. then they can spend as much money as they want .

Sorry for going little off topic but Just need some suggestion from you guys. I have been here for 9 months .
I didn't had any previous experience . The previous programmer they hired has its own small web design company. he was working at 66$ per hour.

Now they offered me A$40,000 per year . I accepted that ,as i had no other option. Previous programmer does not had much knowledge as there were so many loop holes in the codes he coded. I am fixing all that. Now my job include

1)Make new scripts PHP , javascript , AJAX , new looks to website
2)Maintain database(have to convert simple sql statements to tranactions)
3) Now some shell scripting as My hosting provider was charging 100$ per hour so i thought i will do myself)
4) Now i have to do that replication and clustering
5)Fix the customers computer problems as well if they call

As company don't have IT knowledge they don't know the work i am doing is simple or complex.


I need your help . How should i ask them for salary rise . As A$40,000 is very less(I think). my friend is working in Govt comapny . Just maintains small site and he is getting 50,000$. I am totally confused what should i do. What should be the salary for the work like this

How is the transaction developments going on, can you give us some examples on how you transactions look different to the simple SQL statements

[Rimba]

Having run my own server in office and used a VPS and Dedicated Servers. I would have to say Dedicated Servers are the way to go. First off any hardware failures you don't pay to fix. Second most server companies offer 20-40gig backup for your server. Third and the most important support. Having a full team of guys to help you with your server is awesome. No more banging your head against the wall to figure something out or wait for a response on a forum. Call up or submit a ticket and they fix it for you. I have a box with Server Intellect and they even keep my box updated and scanned for virus. Plus think about it. You can get a box with 200gig hd/ 2gig ram/ dual core for around $200 a month. That is 2400 a year. If your running a good production server in house you have to have a t-1 at least which will put you over 7k a year and you have to deal with running the router and network problems that a raise just from that! No point to waste that kind of money get a dedicated box and let someone else deal with that headache.

[nikos101]

Having run my own server in office and used a VPS and Dedicated Servers. I would have to say Dedicated Servers are the way to go. First off any hardware failures you don't pay to fix. Second most server companies offer 20-40gig backup for your server. Third and the most important support. Having a full team of guys to help you with your server is awesome. No more banging your head against the wall to figure something out or wait for a response on a forum. Call up or submit a ticket and they fix it for you. I have a box with Server Intellect and they even keep my box updated and scanned for virus. Plus think about it. You can get a box with 200gig hd/ 2gig ram/ dual core for around $200 a month. That is 2400 a year. If your running a good production server in house you have to have a t-1 at least which will put you over 7k a year and you have to deal with running the router and network problems that a raise just from that! No point to waste that kind of money get a dedicated box and let someone else deal with that headache.
Very good points here