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bazz
01-21-2008, 12:22 PM
I have noticed a few times that when I have replied to a post, that the next click on 'New Posts' gives me only two or three messages in the list when, previously, there were about 2 pages of them.

I guess I took too long to write my response and so, the session may have timed out.
Is this correct?
How long does the session last?
is there a way of adding a countdown timer to the reply page (where you enter the post), so that you can see when time is about to run out.

bazz

WA
01-21-2008, 05:12 PM
That's why when I view "New Posts", I usually open a specific thread in a new tab. That seems to take care of the problem, even if there are more than 1 page of new posts.

I looked around in vBulletin's settings, and the only thing that could be related to the above is the "session timeout" setting, which is currently at 900 sec. That would mean 15 minutes.

matak
01-22-2008, 10:52 AM
I have noticed a few times that when I have replied to a post, that the next click on 'New Posts' gives me only two or three messages in the list when, previously, there were about 2 pages of them.

I guess I took too long to write my response and so, the session may have timed out.
Is this correct?
How long does the session last?
is there a way of adding a countdown timer to the reply page (where you enter the post), so that you can see when time is about to run out.

bazz

true what you say. most vbull. forums don't mark new posts read until you "click" them, but coding forums is set to read new posts just if you log once to se what's happening around. i'm not used to it.

liorean
01-22-2008, 03:05 PM
true what you say. most vbull. forums don't mark new posts read until you "click" them, but coding forums is set to read new posts just if you log once to se what's happening around. i'm not used to it.Yes, that's the really irritating part of CF: I can't open several windows, one of them being some CF thread, and start doing something else n some other site, and come back to CF, because most often, that means all threads that were new when I logged in are now marked as read. I haven't read them, and I wanted to keep them marked as unread until I actually had a chance to read them.

bazz
01-22-2008, 03:54 PM
sounds to me very like an obstacle to giving help to people who have asked for it. I mean; how can you/me help someone, if you can't find the posts asking for it?

Is it possible for this to be changed so that we do not lose messages from the list until we have actually read them?

bazz

matak
01-23-2008, 02:40 AM
i think WA is doing something about that, i might start marking the threads. :coffeeeeee: ;)

bazz
01-23-2008, 04:36 AM
I looked around in vBulletin's settings, and the only thing that could be related to the above is the "session timeout" setting, which is currently at 900 sec. That would mean 15 minutes.

Ahhh, I know I sometimes - ok quite often - take longer to type my reply. I prefer to make sure that what i write is correct and then that it is spelpt correctly or at least readably. (is that a word :p )

so maybe for me, 900 seconds isn't long enough. :( I thought could type but probably, when I come back again, the list willl be empty :(

ok, so it wasn't but sometimes the replies take longer :)

bazz

matak
01-23-2008, 09:06 AM
i think WA is doing something about that, i might start marking the threads. :coffeeeeee: ;)

nope he wasn't.. :(

Kor
01-23-2008, 10:52 AM
Some time ago I was asking for a tool :"Mark this thread as unread". It happens that I open 6-7-8 ... threads on the same time but, for a reason or another, I have to quit and open the unsolved 3 or 4 later , but now they look as read, so I don't remember which I must answer.... When dealing often with many threads, a "Mark this thread as unread", or "Mark this as to be solved" or something like that would be useful. Nothing more than a possibility to mark or/and group some threads on will

matak
01-23-2008, 12:38 PM
hm, maybe setup in user panel to instantly subscribe to threads with no-email notification.

i'll start doing that just by posting "subscr" to some interesting threads, and then in user cp just list all subscriptions.

that might work, i just hope that i won't get infraction from spookster :D.. haha

WA
01-23-2008, 06:26 PM
so maybe for me, 900 seconds isn't long enough. :( I thought could type but probably, when I come back again, the list willl be empty :(

ok, so it wasn't but sometimes the replies take longer :)

bazz

It's a little more tricky than just increasing the 900 sec setting (if that is the correct one to change) since the same setting affects other things like how "current users online" is tallied, and I"m sure some other things. I've posted a question on vBulletin.com to get some clarification.

WA
01-24-2008, 08:30 AM
Ok, I've just changed a setting in vBulletin based on a VB's staff's suggestion. Basically, it modifies the way threads are marked as "read", by the old "inactivity after x amount of time" to a hard coded number of days (in this case, 1). I'm not sure I understand entirely how this works and if it's the solution here, but here's a description of the feature change:


This option uses the database to store thread and forum read times. This allows accurate read markers to be kept for 1 day (after which an unread thread is assumed to have been read regardless). Forums are automatically marked as read when the last new thread is read.

In other words, threads for the last 24 hours will always remain "unread" until you read them. This means when you click on "New Posts" to view the latest threads, they will not disappear on you within a time frame of 24 hours.

I'll keep this setting for a few days. Let me know if it's better or worse than before. One drawback is that it's more server intensive, so unless it's doing good I want to disable it.

WA
01-24-2008, 08:41 AM
Yikes, I'm already noticing a lot slower page load times after turning on the feature. Will be keeping a close eye on it throughout the day.

bazz
01-24-2008, 11:46 AM
Hi WA,

I see a difference today and I don't think it fixes the issue we had. Indeed, it may introduce another two - slower page loads /higher server demand and needless new page data.

When I login to check 'New Posts' I now see a list comprising two categories:

1. a list of new posts since I last logged in and,
2. a list of posts, which were new at some login time and which I didn't read. So they are unread posts which have not been updated by anyone, since they showed as new posts.

So are we expected, now, to read every post even though I can tell from the forum it is in, that I won't be able to help? It seems to me that this change does not do what we need and it works worse than before.

Maybe I have missed something.

bazz

CFMaBiSmAd
01-24-2008, 01:06 PM
When the setting was changed, all existing threads that met the 1 day limit became "available" as being unread. You need to do a "Mark Forums Read" one time to clear them out. Then I think you will find that it operates like you expect.

Which beings up a related changed needed to go along with this. To the best of my knowledge, the "Mark Forums Read" menu item only appears at the bottom of the main forum page. The forum template needs to be changed so that this is either available on the menu bar at the top of the page or right above the list of displayed topics, so that once you have read the threads you are interested in, that you can mark the rest of the threads as being read.

WA
01-24-2008, 02:29 PM
Ok, what's getting shown on the "New Posts" page is confusing me as well. I'll wait for some more feedback before deciding whether to terminate this experiment. lol

WA
02-01-2008, 03:36 PM
Well, since there seems to be no objections to the changes in the session behavior, I think I'll keep it for now. It does seem to address the problem with new threads disappearing too quickly.

Spookster
02-05-2008, 12:22 AM
Well, since there seems to be no objections to the changes in the session behavior, I think I'll keep it for now. It does seem to address the problem with new threads disappearing too quickly.

I object!!!

Now I have to remember to click the Mark Forums Read link each time I leave otherwise I come back and all the threads I didn't care to read are still new.

You make the Spookster angry :mad:

oesxyl
02-05-2008, 12:33 AM
It's a little annoying, :)

Maybe a solution is to include a button "mark as readed" on each post, at list on Search page.

best regards

WA
02-05-2008, 12:49 AM
And I was just getting used to the new settings. :) Ideally two different sessions settings can be applied, one for the "New posts" results, the other for the rest. But since this isn't possible in vBulletin, it's one way or the other. Perhaps a compromise is to move the "Mark as read" link to a more prominent location on the site?

CFMaBiSmAd
02-05-2008, 12:53 AM
...Which beings up a related changed needed to go along with this. To the best of my knowledge, the "Mark Forums Read" menu item only appears at the bottom of the main forum page. The forum template needs to be changed so that this is either available on the menu bar at the top of the page or right above the list of displayed topics, so that once you have read the threads you are interested in, that you can mark the rest of the threads as being read.Mentioned before.

oesxyl
02-05-2008, 01:01 AM
And I was just getting used to the new settings. :) Ideally two different sessions settings can be applied, one for the "New posts" results, the other for the rest. But since this isn't possible in vBulletin, it's one way or the other. Perhaps a compromise is to move the "Mark as read" link to a more prominent location on the site?

I'm talking about a "Mark as read" button on each thread/post, not forum or section, like "Go to last post" button of the thread.

Sorry, I don't know how hard is to implement this here, :)

best regards

Spookster
02-05-2008, 02:48 AM
Perhaps a compromise is to move the "Mark as read" link to a more prominent location on the site?


Probably would be a good idea. Took me awhile to find it.



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