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View Full Version : New "Web 2.0" design, need final check



Sman5109
01-15-2008, 06:00 AM
Right now I'm coding a new design for my site and I need a final opinion on if it is good or not before I finish the whole thing.

Heres the link: http://www.eliloewen.com/stuff/TesT9000/


The code is a little sloppy and i have not added the php in yet. This is just a quick example preview.

Thanks :)

oesxyl
01-15-2008, 06:24 AM
Right now I'm coding a new design that I made for my site and I need a final opinion on if it is good or not before I finish the whole thing.

Heres the link: http://www.eliloewen.com/stuff/TesT9000/


The code is a little sloppy and i have not added the php in yet. This is just a quick example preview.

Thanks :)

- change mime type to application/xhtml+xml
- fix css
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21&warning=0&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eliloewen.com%2Fstuff%2FTesT9000%2F

I guess that content, navigation is still work in progress.

PS: the "web 2.0" thing, is evolved to web 3.0 now, I wait for web 4.0 and grather, :)

best regards

Sman5109
01-15-2008, 06:34 AM
- change mime type to application/xhtml+xml
- fix css
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21&warning=0&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eliloewen.com%2Fstuff%2FTesT9000%2F (http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21&warning=0&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eliloewen.com%2Fstuff%2FTesT9000%2F)

I guess that content, navigation is still work in progress.

PS: the "web 2.0" thing, is evolved to web 3.0 now, I wait for web 4.0 and grather, :)

best regards
As i said, its just the preview. The php changes the MIME type, and as i said i haven't put it in yet.

And the CSS is valid. Default validation for jigsaw is CSS 2.1, im using CSS3. You just have to change it in the dropdown menu.

ArcticFox
01-15-2008, 05:15 PM
OH MY GOD MY EYES! I... I.. I CAN'T SEE! THAT PAGE COLOUR HAS BURNED OUT MY EYES! LAST THING I SAW WAS SOME STUPID QUOTE WITH BAD SPELLING AT THE BOTTOM JUST BEFORE MY LIFE WENT SO HORRIBLY, HORRIBLY DARK!


Note: This website uses effects and functions that old browsers and IE7 do not support. It has nothing to do with my coding, I use completely valid code and renders perfectly in all good browsers. The Internet Explorer browser is flawed in many ways and if you want to see this site and all other sites the way it was ment to be seen I strongly encurge you to switch to Firefox or Opera.

DAMN THESE 12 YEAR OLD KIDS AND THEIR PRETEND SUPERIOR WEB DESIGN BUSINESSES! THEY'VE PUT OUT MY EYES!!!!!

Apostropartheid
01-15-2008, 05:26 PM
...To clarify, people are very, very, very unlikely to switch for you. I didn't. And, to be honest, it's not hard to code for IE7. I mean, who would employ you if you don't make it compatible for, ooh...
Half the market?

It's people's choice to use Internet Explorer, and as a web designer it is your job--you are being paid--to cater for them.

Sman5109
01-16-2008, 12:42 AM
OH MY GOD MY EYES! I... I.. I CAN'T SEE! THAT PAGE COLOUR HAS BURNED OUT MY EYES! LAST THING I SAW WAS SOME STUPID QUOTE WITH BAD SPELLING AT THE BOTTOM JUST BEFORE MY LIFE WENT SO HORRIBLY, HORRIBLY DARK!
Theres a solution for that, turn down your brightness. And try not to have caps lock on and i might take you more seriously.


...To clarify, people are very, very, very unlikely to switch for you. I didn't. And, to be honest, it's not hard to code for IE7. I mean, who would employ you if you don't make it compatible for, ooh...
Half the market?

It's people's choice to use Internet Explorer, and as a web designer it is your job--you are being paid--to cater for them.
If someone is going to pay me to code them a website, then i will make it and test it for all modern browsers. All the websites i have coded for people are compatible with all browsers.

This is MY website, I'm coding it for me. I am VERY bias against IE and im not going to dumb down my code, or use stupid IE hacks, or make my life harder even if its just a tiny bit and let M$ and IE win. That message is to try to convince people to switch from IE to another browser. If there were more people like me IE would not be 54% of the market.

ArcticFox
01-16-2008, 01:08 AM
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service ours. Resistance is futile.

Give it up, you're not impressing anyone. Taking the easy route is for people who don't know how to adapt. In that course you will be phased out in a short time.

The entire page pumpkin orange? How 70's of you.

bcarl314
01-16-2008, 02:13 AM
While I personally don't care for the orange, I can see it working if you do a little more 2.0ing to the site. Change the fonts from black to another color and give the line spacing a little more breathing room.

That said, and I know you're well intentioned here, you're really missing the mark for a typical small business owner. They don't care about standards. They care about getting a presence on the web. The nicer it looks the better. They also care about making it cheap (not $50 cheap, but they usually don't have $100,000 sitting around either). Finally, they want a professional.

While you're content certainly demonstrates technical proficiency, you're not selling yourself well.

Hope this helps.

Sman5109
01-16-2008, 02:53 AM
While I personally don't care for the orange, I can see it working if you do a little more 2.0ing to the site. Change the fonts from black to another color and give the line spacing a little more breathing room.

That said, and I know you're well intentioned here, you're really missing the mark for a typical small business owner. They don't care about standards. They care about getting a presence on the web. The nicer it looks the better. They also care about making it cheap (not $50 cheap, but they usually don't have $100,000 sitting around either). Finally, they want a professional.

While you're content certainly demonstrates technical proficiency, you're not selling yourself well.

Hope this helps.
Great, thats want i wanted, just some comments and ideas on how i could make the layout better.

For the text, i know the colour needs to be changed but I dont know to what colour. Any ideas?

And for the business thing, the site is more my portfolio then a business.

Thanks

VIPStephan
01-16-2008, 03:33 AM
How do you think is anybody using IE supposed to read that note about switching to a different browser when IE users can’t even see your site? :p

Also I think the navigation link colors are a little too faint (especially the hover state). They are hard to read for people with normal sight. Imagine you had some kind of color blindness or bad sight in general… they wouldn’t be distinguishable anymore. Making them brighter should do it. Or, if you wanna prove your skills you could put an alternative, high contrast stylesheet.

daemonkin
01-16-2008, 01:33 PM
Now, your blog is nicely designed. Orange is not really my thing but...

I think it would be more semantic to use h2 and h3 elements in your site rather than p and strong (I would also use b rather than strong) to give your content more meaning.

I am a fan of em font size rather than pt size. I state a size in my body and then each tag is given a relative em size depending - p tags are 0.8em, h3 are 1.1em, h2 are 1.2em etc.

As an IE disliker also I commend you on your stance but most small business owners do not care about browsers (I have had hard times trying to get 1 client to move from IE5.5 to IE7 and he just wont budge!).

Being standards compliant is great but not a lot of joe blogs know or care about W3C

Good luck anyway.

fl00d
01-16-2008, 10:35 PM
Well I'd consider revising your whole "marketing" scheme. Most people don't consider the use of "*****" and "crappy" as a professional way to express themselves, specifically when selling a service. Professionalism is in these days, I just can't picture a businessman in his suit and holding his briefcase talking "street" to his client.

Apostropartheid
01-17-2008, 05:03 PM
So what if you're biased against IE? I don't like Ffx, yet I still make sure my users have a good experience and don't effectively tell them that I can't be bothered with them.

medigerati
01-18-2008, 04:49 AM
Sorry to be judgemental, but I don't really see how it's a web 2.0 design? But then again, I don't really see the need for it to be web 2.0. I think, turn down the brightness on those colors and you have a unique look. Anyway, if you still want web 2.0, you should validate against this:
http://www.eliloewen.com/stuff/TesT9000/
;)

Golden Angel
01-18-2008, 08:38 AM
Great thread,

This topic should be part of all web design training. I'm sure it's not the norm, but at the last big corporation I worked for (in-house), the higher the level of employee, the less informed decisions they were able to make about web design or development. :cool:

ArcticFox
01-18-2008, 02:45 PM
Sorry to be judgemental, but I don't really see how it's a web 2.0 design? But then again, I don't really see the need for it to be web 2.0. I think, turn down the brightness on those colors and you have a unique look.

I alway think "Web 2.0" means you have to make your site look like a blog, have rounded corners on every part of the site, bubble-buttons like Apple, and bright/blinding colours, while presenting a holier-than-thou attitude.

So his page fits right in. :rolleyes:

Sman5109
01-19-2008, 06:52 AM
Sorry guys for no update, I have finished that design and its now in the main directory. Since a lot of you commented on the colour of it I think I'm going to invert the design to be a nice blue and let users choose which stylesheet they want to use (Blue or orange).

Heres where the design is now: http://www.eliloewen.com



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