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There's an article on News.com today on Apple's decision to release a browser based on Konqueror rather than Mozilla citing bloated code on Mozilla's part: http://news.com.com/2100-1023-980492.html?tag=fd_lede1_hed
For people who have used both Konqueror and Mozilla, or are simply knowledgeable on the two, what are your thoughts?
01-14-2003, 03:59 PM
I've not tested it personally, but a couple of people have emailed me about it and the consenus seems to be it's very fast, but a little buggy; it is a beta after all.
My experience of Konqueror is little different from Mozilla - adequately specced for the kind of stuff I do, fast enough but not exactly greased lightning; I've not noticed any appreciable difference in rendering and processing speed between moz and konqueoror on Linux; Konqueror (in KDE) starts up faster, but then it would if its the window manager. Konqueror in Gnome is appallingly slow to start up - much slower than mozilla.
This is all subjective I know. I don't know enough about it to comment on the size of Mozilla's codebase, but my own experience is that all versions of mozilla are slow to start-up. But other gecko browsers - like k-meleon and Pheonix - don't have this problem; I sincerely hope that that report is not confusing gecko (very good rendering engine) with chrome (appalingly bad, slow and buggy interface)
I'll comment more when my new iMac arrives ;) imo "Safari" is a really cool name :)
As far as I know they picked KHTML because it was easier to embed.
Gecko is still a far better rendering engine in terms of what it supports, not to say that KHTML isn't bad....
01-15-2003, 08:53 AM
There's a nice review of apple's new browser on Webmonkey (http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/03/02/index3a.html). Although they hold it for a great promise, they still prefer Mozilla's Chimera.
01-15-2003, 02:12 PM
Btw,it has nothing to do with the Window Manager.I use Kwin under GNOME 2 and it's the same ;)
01-25-2003, 01:52 AM
I've got a new mac now :) And having tried Safari I'll say this much .. their hype is basically true; it is *very* fast. I'm seeing a few CSS bugs, but nothing serious. Scripting wise, I ran some code through it which was designed for Konqueror - basically a script that was designed for mozilla but with a couple of browser hacks - and Safari responded exactly like Konqueor.
But I've heard it mentioned that Safari has user-agent spoofing ... does anyone know about this? I can't find it in the preferences.
01-26-2003, 05:57 PM
Ah .. it seems you need an add-on http://gordon.sourcecod.com/sites/safari_enhancer.php
And I've noticed another weird thing ... document mouse events don't fire unless the document has the focus; but when you click a link that opens a new window, the new document doesn't automatically take the focus ...
The end result I noticed is that if the new window contains something like a DHTML menu, or other mouseover driven effect, it doesn't work until you click on the document to give it the focus!
I've used Mozilla, Konqueror and Netscape in Linux . I find Mozilla and Konqueror to take about the same time to load, (Konqueror may be a little slower).
I tend to use minimalist window managers like fluxbox or occasionally windowmaker, which does speed things up somewhat.
I'm not completely happy with most browsers as they have more than I need (I use other email clients etc.) and the lightweights have enough inocompatabilities with newer web standards that I don't use them.
I use Mozilla in both windows and linux, mostly because of its ability to refuse pop-ups and the tab system, which I like.
For those who may be interested, here's an article on lightweight web browsers in Linux (2003)
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