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chrismiceli
12-24-2002, 03:31 AM
i have seen a lot of replies on what editor they use, i think it deserves its own thread. I personally use a command line vim for linux, but on widows is used metapad:
http://www.liquidninja.com/metapad/
vim:
http://www.vim.org/

joeframbach
12-24-2002, 04:31 AM
EditPlus (http://www.editplus.com) all the way!

linuxdude
12-24-2002, 05:01 AM
i use vim also when on winblowz i used dreamweaver

Mhtml
12-24-2002, 06:05 AM
Why does this deserve a thread of it's own? It's the same as the other 1 or 2 big ones.

I use dw mx and meatpad. Right now I'm using MetaPad but later when I'm onto building my forum again I'll be using DW MX because of it's code coloring which I find easily the best because it is really easy to customize if you need it.

Well that and it converts into Xhtml for me... I'm so lazy.

jkd
12-24-2002, 07:01 AM
I live, breathe, and, err, actually just code in Ultraedit (http://www.ultraedit.com)

It literally does everything you could possibly want in a text editor. And when you think you want something more, it typically already has it. One of the best things I use all the time (and have never seen elsewhere) is column highlighting. Instead of highlighting text with an emphasis on rows, this shifts the focus to columns. If you properly indent markup, you won't believe how useful this ability is.

I've tried others (Crimson, EditPlus, etc), none can compare.

I even prefer it to tried and true Vim, which I have to use when I'm working on my SuSE 8.0 box, as Ultraedit is Windows-only and doesn't run too well under Wine... :(

redhead
12-24-2002, 10:42 AM
there have been loads of threads on which editor(s) to use...

http://www.codingforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=2545&highlight=editors

thats just one... try searching the old forum for even more.

I mainly use EditPlus, i used DreamWeaver for a site back in summer but i only used the coding veiw... i like to know that my code is what i want it to be :)

ionsurge
12-24-2002, 01:40 PM
I have found that Homesite is the best editor...



Ionsurge.

scroots
12-24-2002, 07:21 PM
htmlkit is a good editor its free and you can get plugins for different languages e.g. asp, php etc.



scroots

krycek
12-24-2002, 11:28 PM
I used to use UltraEdit just like jkd, in fact I used it for six years. However, I got tempted off by Dreamweaver MX and its nice stuff (heheh forget the WYSIWYG) but that never totally pulled me away.

Crimson Editor is the only thing that has stopped me using UltraEdit. It has so many things that I personally like, and I feel so comfortable using it... each to his own of course!

Oh yeah and jkd, UltraEdit is not the only editor to support column highlighting (i.e. vertical) neither is it the first, nor does it have the best implementation of it. But it is a darn good editor or I would not have used it constantly for six years! (And it is still on my system and I fire it up now and then :))

Merry Christmas Everyone!

::] krycek [::

jkd
12-25-2002, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by krycek
Oh yeah and jkd, UltraEdit is not the only editor to support column highlighting (i.e. vertical) neither is it the first, nor does it have the best implementation of it. But it is a darn good editor or I would not have used it constantly for six years! (And it is still on my system and I fire it up now and then :))

I didn't think so. However, because of Ultraedit, vertical highlighting is a prerequisite for my editor (I had Visual Studio.NET installed at one point, and I still preferred writing my code in Ultraedit - go figure), and if you can list of some superior implementations, I'm more than willing to give them a shot. Change is good. :)

krycek
12-25-2002, 02:13 AM
heheh :D yes change is good, when necessary ;)

Well, as a result of this thread and also a couple of others on this subject, I have been comparing a few editors. I made sure I had the latest (full) version of each and my results are as follows:

Compared:

1st Page
ConTEXT
Crimson Editor
Dreamweaver MX
EditPad
EditPlus
HTML-Kit
NoteTab
Programmer's File Editor
TextPad
UltraEdit

I hate:

1st Page
ConTEXT
EditPad
EditPlus
NoteTab
Programmer's File Editor

Not too bad:

HTML-Kit

I like:

Crimson Editor
Dreamweaver MX
TextPad
UltraEdit

Out of the four I like, I would be happy enough using any of them. However as a brief summary:

- Dreamweaver MX is too heavy for what I need and it's WYSIWYG and "intelligent" stuff gets in the way, although it has very nice coloring and sopisticated search and replace etc.

- TextPad is OK but seems to be little more than Dreamweaver MX without the extras. It hasn't got a whole lot of fancy features but is nice and clean and pretty easy to set up the way you want. Also, it boasts a most impressive list of add-ons and loads of syntax files.

- Crimson Editor was the one that I found was most friendly for me. I liked it from the start - everything was where I expected to find it, and it was the quickest for me to set up the way I like. It also has some features I haven't found on any of the others, but still has some things lacking. I particularly liked the way I could customise things about the interface very easily that took a little longer on the others, plus I like the way that I could have blocks of PHP shaded.

- UltraEdit has some of the most advanced features, such as column highlighting (which isn't exactly important to me but I can imagine using it!) and also has a clean and tidy layout. But, I found a few things difficult to find in the menus (after eight years since first finding it I still haven't really used much of it) I am still trying to find how to change the font properties of the line numbers, and how to display column numbers! However it does support shading of the current line, like Crimson (a feature I like) and also I felt comfortable using it if I ignored the unhelpful menu options in some places.

My test was simply what I felt comfortable using, and with each one I tried to change the basic layout to the way I like, and looked at the syntax coloring. Not a very in-depth review but it's not intended to be.

Overall I say Crimson Editor wins, because it is free and if you do not need the extras that UltraEdit has, you will be very happy. Otherwise, UltraEdit makes a very worthy opponent. There is not a great deal to choose between them, and so it comes down to personal preference. :)

TextPad and Dreamweaver MX are also very worthy, but I feel not in the same league as my winners. Dreamweaver is ideal if you need all its extras, but for the hardcoder they can just get in the way! I never use WYSIWYG (heck that's what a browser is for! :D) and why use it's silly FTP functions? CuteFTP is far better :) Plus DW is bloated and resource hogging, even on my super-machine. :p

So, that's what I think... but, I would love to know, can anyone suggest a good place to get syntax files for UltraEdit or Crimson? Their sites are not all that descriptive on this front and I like going by recommendation :) Oh yeah and ideally ones that allow PHP, HTML, CSS and JS all in the same page :p


Merry Christmas Everyone!

::] krycek [::

Len Whistler
12-25-2002, 02:45 AM
After reading this post along with other threads with a similiar question I assume that most people on this board prefer Dreamweaver MX over GoLive 5 or 6.

Actually....GoLive 5 or 6 aren't mentioned very much at all.

Leonard Whistler
www.lwphoto.com

krycek
12-25-2002, 04:21 AM
Heheh :)

Personally, I wouldn't touch GoLive with a barge pole :D

You will find that Dreamweaver is popular because it creates "roundtrip" HTML, and also is very good at using standards compliant code, and doesn't fill the code with rubbish (well sometimes it does, but you just have to keep an eye on it)

For those people that want a WYSIWYG editor and don't like hardcoding, but want all the advantages of hardcoding and the ability to do as much or little coding by hand as possible, DW is an ideal solution.

I like it because it has nice colors, good reference, and a few other things like a powerful search and replace function. However, some editors have a lot more to offer to the hand coder, especially if you don't need WYSIWYG :)

Stay away from FrontPage especially, and GoLive is not brilliant either, neither are any of the other countless such programs floating around. Programs aimed more at hand coding with WYSIWYG, or else a mixture, are better than those that expect you to not want to edit your code very much. Hence HomeSite and HoT MetaL are better choices than FrontPage or GoLive.

Tip: Real web developers do not use programs like FrontPage. Why? Because a real developer knows how to do the job on their own, and wants a tool to help rather than a program to do everything because they can't. I am fed up of the amount of people who jump on the "I'm a web designer!" band-wagon and have bad sites and poor knowledge, and expect other people to pay them for their services. Such people give the industry as a whole a bad name and also do themselves no favours. Like any career, web design and development should be learnt properly, and it is a shame that companies like Microsoft and Adobe cannot release better products. But then, I guess they should be thanked for providing an easy way to spot the true coders from the pretenders :)

Oh and I am not directing that at anyone personally, because I haven't a clue who you are for a start. I am just ranting again :D But yeah, the reason that people on these forums prefer DW to GoLive is that most people round here are coders and know what tools to use :)

Merry Christmas Everyone!

::] krycek [::

redhead
12-25-2002, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by krycek
I hate:
...
EditPad
EditPlus
NoteTab
...



no way! you hate editplus? deceived.. ;)

corrected a crucial typo...

ionsurge
12-26-2002, 12:31 PM
No one seems to have come across Homesite... it rules, try out the trial version, and you will see.


Ionsurge.

krycek
12-26-2002, 11:49 PM
I have the full version of HomeSite 5... used it to see what it was like and have never run it again. I don't like it. (It came with my Macromedia Suite)

Merry Christmas Everyone!

::] krycek [::



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