what html editor do you use?

[nexosis]

What html editor do you use in making web pages?

[nexosis]

I use notepad, other softwares are cheaters

[ghell]

vim and emacs are "cheaters"?

I use crimson editor for most web stuff and Visual Studio Pro 2005 for asp.net/C# (and I'm moving to eclipse for most of my other development now that I've worked out how to get mingw working with CDT for C/C++, as well as pydev for python and of course Java)

Of course what you meant to say was that WYSIWYG editors should be banned, and I agree.

[nexosis]

Of course what you meant to say was that WYSIWYG editors should be banned, and I agree.

Nope, I didn't say that...lol

[croatiankid]

Dreamweaver, a great piece of software.

[ghell]

I know you didn't say that, but surely you meant software where you create say an html form by dragging components around isn't good (I don't think thats cheating but people should have a good understanding of the base code as well, and those editors tend to produce bloated messy code. From that perspective I think frontpage is actually better than dreamweaver, but neither should be used for wysiwyg editing ("design mode") imo)

As I pointed out, notepad is not the only text editor on the planet. vim and emacs are command line text editors on unix. There are also nano and pico etc. Edit is a command line text editor for ms dos. Tools such as notepad++ notepad2 crimsoneditor etc on windows, gedit for gnome and kate for KDE are text editors with features such as syntax highlighting, bracket matching, tabbed editing and automatic indentation. Do any of those features count as "cheating"? If they do, I guess I'm a cheat.

[croatiankid]

Dreamweaver's design mode is great when manipulating with content. You don't have to worry about entities and encoding if your using non-unicode encoding (even though as of recently everything I make is utf-8). And also you don't have to worry about win xp notepad's auto-adding the BOM (http://www.weblations.com/eng/blog/2005/01/bom-huh.html).

[Nightfire]

I use scite :)

[SSJ]

Dreamweaver is widely used and great for HTML designing...

[gsnedders]

A mixture of SubEthaEdit and nano (yeah, that is a serious comment :p).

[liorean]

SciTE or SubEthaEdit depending on whether I'm on my mac or pc for markup editing, and nvu for quick creation of articles when I don't care about the markup as much as I do about the content. (Actually I use nvu when most people would use MS Word.)

[rafiki]

I use scite :)

thanks to Night i also use scite :)

[Aradon]

If my job were a web developer I would probably use Dreamweaver, however since it's not, I use Notepad or vim for my html / php work. (which is minimal)

[brad211987]

Notepadd++ or Scite, depends on the day. Both are great text editors in my opinion.

[firepages]

Quanta+
,vi if and only if I have to .. emacs ... never, not in a million years, not if you paid me... (but open to negotiations ;))

[ghell]

Yea I'm not too keen on vi/vim but I don't mind it once someone has told you how to actually use insert mode, the :commands etc but I can't stand emacs. I also have no idea why someone would make gvim.

To be honest editing text files from the command line in anything other than ms edit (which had mouse support and decent menus etc) makes my head hurt, but when your x server has blown up or youre on ssh you don't have much choice :P

[liorean]

Personally I'd rather use EDLIN or COPY CON to write text than vim. Vim has absolutely zero feature discoverability. Heck, just figuring out how to properly close it was unintuitive. Feature discoverability is crucial for editors, especially for people who don't live in command line mode and who don't visit the editor more than when they are forced to.

[ghell]

Exactly, you need someone to show you how to even close vi, let alone knowing that you have to press "i" to get into insert mode before being able to actually edit text or pressing escape to get out of it so that you can use : again. I suppose a lot of things like less also use :q to close so it was probably just doing what software should do and basing its interface on things people already know. (I don't know what came first, i expect vi predates less but something else probably predates vi that uses :q :P)

[ken_shoti]

Php Designer is the best...previews, search, professional interface...! with tools like validators etc....

Emeditor and notepad++ will do...all these are free, why use notepad, yes it's light...but remember you have limited undos

[1212jtraceur]

notepad++ for me

[ralph l mayo]

I can't use anything but vim. Once you learn your way around it it's an elegant time-saver, and once you pick up some of the more advanced features it's irreplaceable. Anywhere vim is installed you should be able to run 'vimtutor' for an interactive primer on the essentials. That its interface isn't the same as other editors is a fault of the other editors for not picking up a similarly powerful shorthand imo.

[ghell]

why use notepad, yes it's light...but remember you have limited undosGet it right the first time perhaps?

I can't use anything but vim. Once you learn your way around it it's an elegant time-saver, and once you pick up some of the more advanced features it's irreplaceable. Anywhere vim is installed you should be able to run 'vimtutor' for an interactive primer on the essentials. That its interface isn't the same as other editors is a fault of the other editors for not picking up a similarly powerful shorthand imo.Vi's command system was good at the time but is now archaic, other editors not picking it up is by no means a fault of those editors. I suppose if you get used to writing things in vim, you may say such things, but in this day and age you really should be open to more things. I think a good command line text editor should at least use a menu driven interface as ms edit did, and as command line browsers such as elinks do. In my oppinion an editor really shouldn't have to do anything before it is ready to edit, such as setting it to insert mode. Unless you are in a pure command line environment you should at least use gvim, if not something else. I love gedit, i just wish there was a good way of running it on windows.

Notepad++ is pretty nice, but it only works on windows and some features of it could have been done in a nicer way, in particular I think it's collapsing sections are done badly when compared with visual studio or eclipse (granted they are a lot bigger and full blown IDEs, but the actual feature isn't large)

Notepad2 seems pretty nice apart from its absolute refusal to add multi document editing (aparently that makes it more complicated, but I don't think that the feature would increase notepad2's complexity)

[Rudy507]

I don't think anyone has mentioned TextPad. That's what I use. Great text editor for very cheap. I have no complaints.

[daniel_g]

notetab light(that's the free version)
pretty nice tool, specially for begginers like me.

[Ranger56]

Html-Kit.

[twodayslate]

Dreamweavre 8. It is great. I use it for FTP and it complete my tags for me!
All I have to do it type BA and then the down arrow and the press enter and then the down arrow some more and then press enter for the line of code
background: #FFFFFF;Wonderful!

[ralph l mayo]

Vi's command system was good at the time but is now archaic
uh, no :p

you really should be open to more things. I think a good command line text editor should at least use a menu driven interface as ms edit did, and as command line browsers such as elinks do.
Using the mouse is a major bottleneck for editing speed, I don't like to have to click around when I'm writing code. Picking up a few-keystroke shortcut over the period of a few minutes' practice is a big net gain over, eg, highlight-edit-cut-mouse wheel mouse wheel-click-edit-paste

In my oppinion an editor really shouldn't have to do anything before it is ready to edit, such as setting it to insert mode.
put 'insertmode' in vimrc and it doesn't. The reason it's not that way by default is that typically the first thing you want to do (in my experience) is navigate the file a bit.. [gg] to a line a number or at least scroll around a bit.

Unless you are in a pure command line environment you should at least use gvim, if not something else.
I use gvim when I'm not in ssh. It's got nicer colors and tabs but essentially the same thing since I don't need or want the menus.

[VIPStephan]

All I have to do it type BA and then the down arrow and the press enter and then the down arrow some more and then press enter for the line of code
background: #FFFFFF;Wonderful!

And all I'm doing is to type background: #FFF; …at least it’s faster to explain how to do that, if not even to write it. :p

Dreamweaver 8 is a great editor, though. Although it’s using up a lot of resources for the few features I’m using.

[Karen S. Garvin]

Picking up a few-keystroke shortcut over the period of a few minutes' practice is a big net gain over, eg, highlight-edit-cut-mouse wheel mouse wheel-click-edit-paste

Oh, if only more programs would support keyboard shortcuts, I'd be in heaven! :rolleyes: It really slows you down to have to move your hand off the keyboard and onto the mouse, and then back. It also introduces errors.

I downloaded a program called Alleycode (http://www.alleycode.com/) because it was recommended by a professor of one of the computer classes I took. I haven't worked with it much in WYSIWYG mode, but I like the text interface. The program loads quickly and isn't a prima donna.

Other than that, Wordpad is okay in a pinch. It can handle larger documents than Notepad, which may not be a problem for most coders. I used to open PostScript files in Wordpad so I could manually edit them when they wouldn't print. PostScript files can be huge.

[mmfraser]

I use dreamweaver in code view only, although i switch to design view to have a sneek preview.

[infotechweb]

There is only one peice of software worth purchasing for web editing and development, DREAMWEAVER FTW!! (For The Win)

[113918]

Notepad is the best.

[ghell]

Notepad has the problem of no automatic indentation and syntax highlighting, and tabs are 8 spaces wide, all of which can make it hard to use to write code (or html as this is an html editors discussion).

I still don't think dreamweaver is that great either, probably the people who use it have not used a big ide such as visual studio or eclipse, or a lightweight text editor like some of the others mentioned in this post. Every time i see one of those javascript mm_ functions in someone's html source I just want to kill something.

[twodayslate]

And all I'm doing is to type background: #FFF; …at least it’s faster to explain how to do that, if not even to write it. :p

I knew someone was going to say that...:rolleyes:

[napster]

I use Dreamweaver! Just because I find writing code easier.
I tend to make a few mistakes when using notepad, have to proof read it a couple of times.

[gsnedders]

Notepad has the problem of no automatic indentation and syntax highlighting, and tabs are 8 spaces wide, all of which can make it hard to use to write code (or html as this is an html editors discussion).

The spec actually says that tabs are eight spaces wide. Anything that doesn't follow that is actually wrong!

That said, I have no idea how you can actually work with that.

[Alex!]

The spec actually says that tabs are eight spaces wide. Anything that doesn't follow that is actually wrong!

That said, I have no idea how you can actually work with that.

To which spec are you referring?

If I'm on windows I tend to use PHP designer. If I'm on Linux I use SciTE. Both have lots of nice features (SciTE includes Tcl syntax highlighting which is very useful for me).

Alex

[nolvorite]

Pspad.
They have the 'tidy convert to xhtml' thinggy.

[Aradon]

I use PFE, aka Programmers File Editor, unless it's JSP in which I use eclipse.

[firepages]

this thread made me download Zend Studio again in case it got any better .... it was more stable ... though I used to use it on windows & this is on linux ...but it still sucks and its still in JAVA. why why why ???

Eclipse fair enough I expect to be JAVA ;) but I just don't `get` it , too much of a learning curve for me at this point I guess... I don't get why when I try and open a file from within eclipse it opens it in bluefish instead ? I assume there is a reason, but lifes too short to have to work out stuff like that...

me sticking to Quanta+ and vi

[the-dream]

Urrmm?

BB Edit
TextEdit
Dreamweaver
JEdit

[the-dream]

Ohhh Yeah!

And xCode lol!

[ghell]

The spec actually says that tabs are eight spaces wide. Anything that doesn't follow that is actually wrong!

That said, I have no idea how you can actually work with that.Hehe yea, the problem with tabs is that they are different sizes in different editors, but some editors (for example gedit) allow you to change how big tabs appear. Through it is good that some spec somewhere says that tabs should be displayed at a certain size, 8 is just too big for programming with (though it's probably great for whatever tabs were first intended for, if that was writing tabular data in text or something, I've yet to work out what vertical tabs are for). As I said, it "can make it hard to use to write code".:p

If it were up to me, I would force every editor on the planet to only display tabs 4 spaces wide. Pretty much every team hates to use tabs for indentation because they look different in different editors. However, I think they would be great for indentation IF there was some way of making sure that all editors displayed them at the same size. Using spaces or a mix of tabs and spaces (or "convert tabs to spaces" features) tend to lead to the odd line being badly indented, which can be a huge problem in languages such as python that use indentation to show blocks of code.

Oh well, I suppose that is something for a different topic :rolleyes:

[awsomejoe23]

NONE? I go to my cpanel, click edit, then write the code, that way I can gradually check my work, to make sure it's totally compatible with my server and browsers, etc. I have never used any non open source program for web design as I don't have the resources to obtain the commercial ones. This is ok, since I'm only in grade school, and web design is more of a hobby for me.
I always go by "where theres a will theres a way."

Oh, if only more programs would support keyboard shortcuts, I'd be in heaven! It really slows you down to have to move your hand off the keyboard and onto the mouse, and then back. It also introduces errors.
www.autoitscript.com
Make your own!

[ghell]

Direct editing in a "cpanel" can be very slow though, it is often easier to install a free small dummy webserver (and dbms if you need one) on your development machine and then upload at once. This is both faster and more robust, if you keep local copies then you can easily keep backups and anything you break won't be seen by the end user as you don't upload it if it isnt broken :)

[Barking-Gecko]

I can't say I've made too many websites but cse HTML Validator 8.0 is good for my needs.

Anyone else like it?

There's a free lite version aswell.

I don't think I'm upto speed for notepad.


BG